03-06-2011, 05:39 PM | #85 |
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In a 5th Gen, YES. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37333
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03-06-2011, 05:43 PM | #86 | |
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03-06-2011, 06:40 PM | #87 | |
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03-06-2011, 07:07 PM | #88 | |
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Selling a car is a package deal. The style takes priority over function. Muscle cars have a Muscle Car Rake. Muscle Cars have Larger rear Wheels. Look at the success we have had with our square track, wheel and tire setup with droopy rear ends. If you check out what is at the track at NASA and SCCA for production vehicles on the track you'll see a lot of square setups. Why does a car push? The front has lost traction or the rear has more traction? Did the chicken or the egg come first? The more grip the front wheels have the less push a car will have. That is why all the elements of setup you mention are important. They all work better with more grip up front. We didn't invent this. We use it on street cars because it works. if Pedders were to do a Vette, you can expect we will try to fit more rubber on the front end. Not less in the rear. More in the front. |
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03-06-2011, 08:00 PM | #89 |
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EDIT: Whoops I meant understeer, sorry bud. Thanks for catching that. It depends on the front tire size vs. the rear and it also depends on where the under steer happens (turn in? mid corner? exit?). Oversized tires with throttle will usually push the front end unless it is staggered close. The Camaro uses 20" tires in front so right off the bat it is a nightmare but if snap under steer happens and you spin/slide, you can just let off the throttle and regain traction. A single size all around will have you sawing at the wheel. I haven't heard of any snap oversteer in the Camaro though...
Each characteristic in each car is different but a change of wheel/tire combo can fix stock issues... A 285-20" and 305-20" with the weight will under steer.. Weight could be heating your fronts up faster than the back and could also be bad Most serious road racers will only stagger one size tire (say 275-285) at 1/2 an inch if they have to.. but an inch isn't out of the question... But again, road racers like to rotate tires and save money.. Edit: Both the Saleen and Camaro pictured above this post runs 305's all the way around which is awesome... Last edited by thePill; 03-06-2011 at 08:24 PM. |
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03-06-2011, 08:41 PM | #91 |
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Won't a thicker rear bar give more balance to a staggered set up?
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03-06-2011, 09:05 PM | #92 | |
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Yes, it will. With the 5th gen rear suspension geometry combined with other vehicle factors we end up with a monster strong 32mm bar rear and 27mm bar front. Even with our squared setup we still like the 32mm rear bar. Having typed that, if you can fit a 305/30/19 in the rear and the front with no rubbing why not go square?
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03-07-2011, 12:58 AM | #95 | |
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03-07-2011, 01:15 AM | #96 | |
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Full disclosure on Camaro5, email I sent to Pedders
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And honestly, its too much suspension for the power I am putting out... This is GT4 suspension!!! Last edited by thePill; 03-07-2011 at 01:30 AM. |
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03-07-2011, 09:01 AM | #97 |
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If you go with it, you're gonna LOVE Pete's stuff.
Even if I get the ZL1...chances are high I do the bushing/roll bar upgrade shortly after purchase to tighten things up... |
03-07-2011, 09:13 AM | #98 |
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Pete,
What if any is the difference between the 2 Pedders Camaros beside the Xa coilovers Vs. Supercar coilovers? Thanks! |
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