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Old 05-28-2009, 10:43 PM   #15
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The best way to get down the track...Changing gears
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:16 PM   #16
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I'm going to keep a eye for 3.9.
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:50 PM   #17
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Can someone explain gears to me doesn't have to be a whole course just in idiots terms is fine. Is it the larger number of the gear like actually physically a bigger gear thereby pulling the camaro harder with less work. And about what average cost would be or a guestimate.
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:58 AM   #18
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the way this car is geared, 4th gear is taller than most other cars 5th gear. It's the equivalent of having 3 regular gears and 3 overdrives.
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4.1 is the first try for me, but I think 4.30 will be the best for what I want to do.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:17 AM   #20
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Yep, and it's not good. :(

The gear arrived at Performance Transmissions on Tuesday. I went there last night to get the gear swapped in my spare 3rd memeber. While the gear looks correct there are very small differences in several of the bearing surfaces. Also the ring gear bolt pattern is different.

My guess is that while the gear is for a ZF and the Camaro is a ZF the prototype that we have is for a different series of the ZF.

Hopefully someone will have another option very soon.

We are going to look at a G8 to see if that gear is for that center section.

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Old 05-29-2009, 07:23 AM   #21
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Im hopin for 4.10 but I dunno, never had 4.10 and dunno what kinda wear it really has on anything..
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:00 AM   #22
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Can someone explain gears to me doesn't have to be a whole course just in idiots terms is fine. Is it the larger number of the gear like actually physically a bigger gear thereby pulling the camaro harder with less work. And about what average cost would be or a guestimate.
By gears, the OP is referring to the Rear end gear ratio, or axle ratio. if you have a 3.45 rear end, the driveshaft turns 3.45 times for every 1 revolution of the tires. The higher this number, the more mechanical advantage the engine has over the tires. There is a practical limit for many reasons though, obviously you cant put a 10.0 to 1 rear end, you would go through all 6 gears by 80 mph, and you wouldn't make good use of the available power.

The Camaro is geared very low, as others have mentioned. This helps fuel economy and keeps rpm low on the highway, but hurts acceleration.

Physically speaking, the gear ratio is determined by the number of teeth on the ring gear divided by the number of teeth on the pinion, so for example a 39 tooth ring gear and a 10 tooth pinion gives 39/10=3.90 ratio. There you go-gearing 101!
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By gears, the OP is referring to the Rear end gear ratio, or axle ratio. if you have a 3.45 rear end, the driveshaft turns 3.45 times for every 1 revolution of the tires. The higher this number, the more mechanical advantage the engine has over the tires. There is a practical limit for many reasons though, obviously you cant put a 10.0 to 1 rear end, you would go through all 6 gears by 80 mph, and you wouldn't make good use of the available power.

The Camaro is geared very low, as others have mentioned. This helps fuel economy and keeps rpm low on the highway, but hurts acceleration.

Physically speaking, the gear ratio is determined by the number of teeth on the ring gear divided by the number of teeth on the pinion, so for example a 39 tooth ring gear and a 10 tooth pinion gives 39/10=3.90 ratio. There you go-gearing 101!
thanks for the info, helped me as well...
Hylton talked good things about possibly having a 3.90 on the Camaro.... i may end up with that over 4.10
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:14 AM   #24
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The Camaro is geared very low, as others have mentioned. This helps fuel economy and keeps rpm low on the highway, but hurts acceleration.
The Camaro is geared high, if it's geared for fuel economy. High or "tall" gears are lower-numbered ratios in the rear end.

Any time you're confused and not sure if you're thinking of low or high, consider the maximum speed with the new gear, or consider which gear in the transmission is "high gear" and which gear is marked "L" in some cars. 1st is low gear, 6th (or 5th in a 5 speed, 4th in a 4 speed, etc) is high gear; a low gear has more mechanical advantage for low speeds with lots of force, while a high gear is for high speeds with less force.

When someone says "My car's rear end has tall gears and I want better acceleration", they might want to change their 3.23 to 4.10. When someone says "My car runs too many RPM on the highway and I want better fuel economy", they might want to change their 4.10 rear end to 3.23.
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The Camaro is geared high, if it's geared for fuel economy. High or "tall" gears are lower-numbered ratios in the rear end.

Any time you're confused and not sure if you're thinking of low or high, consider the maximum speed with the new gear, or consider which gear in the transmission is "high gear" and which gear is marked "L" in some cars. 1st is low gear, 6th (or 5th in a 5 speed, 4th in a 4 speed, etc) is high gear; a low gear has more mechanical advantage for low speeds with lots of force, while a high gear is for high speeds with less force.

When someone says "My car's rear end has tall gears and I want better acceleration", they might want to change their 3.23 to 4.10. When someone says "My car runs too many RPM on the highway and I want better fuel economy", they might want to change their 4.10 rear end to 3.23.
It can be confusing, when I say low, I mean low numeric ratio, but I see what you mean.
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Sounds like something I might want to do, but I gonna drive mine first and see. Since I haven't had anything with this much power in a while it might not be a problem.

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By gears, the OP is referring to the Rear end gear ratio, or axle ratio. if you have a 3.45 rear end, the driveshaft turns 3.45 times for every 1 revolution of the tires. The higher this number, the more mechanical advantage the engine has over the tires. There is a practical limit for many reasons though, obviously you cant put a 10.0 to 1 rear end, you would go through all 6 gears by 80 mph, and you wouldn't make good use of the available power.

The Camaro is geared very low, as others have mentioned. This helps fuel economy and keeps rpm low on the highway, but hurts acceleration.

Physically speaking, the gear ratio is determined by the number of teeth on the ring gear divided by the number of teeth on the pinion, so for example a 39 tooth ring gear and a 10 tooth pinion gives 39/10=3.90 ratio. There you go-gearing 101!
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I would like to get 3.90's for my car, my current car has 4.10's and they proved to be too much. I have lots of traction problems.

But I wonder how strict GM is going to be with the warranty, what if they take your whole drivetrain warranty for gears?
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Do the G8 gxp M6 3.70's work?
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