ZL1 and 1LE Very Impressive Results at Car and Driver Annual Lighting Lap #7 @ VIR

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Looks like the zl1 had to deal with a damp track to maybe now "the pill" and his swallowers over at svtpp will stop using that as an excuse on why the Shelby got trumped so hard.

yeah he admitted he has never driven either car. I love people that have such strong opinions of cars they have no wheel time at all in.

I makes me scratch my head. it is why I will never say anthing too negative about the GT500.

1. I really think it a good car just has it own issues to be ballanced and not just really powerful and fast.
2. I have no seat time in one to ad anything to the coversation.

over there you have people that have not driven either car or only the GT500 with very strong opinions on how they both drive.

So to say that people who have driven the cars are stupid and your smart yet have never driven the car is just down right retarded.

I do really want to eventually see someone run the standard GT500 coupes. If I would have bought one that was all I could affoard. the standard GT500 coupe gets no love in any of these tests.

if you would just buy the standard coupe with the TP and not the PP which would have been 57,995 what would that get you around the track.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by hognutz

if you would just buy the standard coupe with the TP and not the PP which would have been 57,995 what would that get you around the track.

Not possible.

I too wold like to see a base model run around a track though, not for bragging reasons or to stroke my ego and combat it with others... but to see how big of an improvement the shocks and diff really provide.

[zl1bro]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

It may be tired but its paid for itself and a lot of the new Mustangs R&D. Chevy was late to the party (5 years) so I would expect a reengineered chassis (zeta 2) to be better than one from a car designed 5 years prior. The 5th gen Camaro will have about have the life of the current Mustang before they introduce the 6th gen. If the rumours of a 2016 6th gen Camaro are true...

Agreed. That platform definitely accomplished its mission. Ford did a great job developing it. I owned a 2010 GT500 and enjoyed it while it lasted. But right now its a ZL1 love fest. Its a fun (and expensive) time to be a high performance car enthusiast.

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by eolson

As far as the Boss is concerned, the fact that the Camaro SS 1LE beat the Boss's time this year, means that Ford needs to put that Mustang chassis out to pasture and get with the times with magnetic ride control

Only the ZL1 has mag shocks, The 1LE has standard shocks. Both revolutions of the camaro ans stang will be sick regardless.

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by eolson

They need to put properly off set wheels and wider tires on the GT500, get a Watts Link on it, and take some freakin' weight off the front.

As far as the Boss is concerned, the fact that the Camaro SS 1LE beat the Boss's time this year, means that Ford needs to put that Mustang chassis out to pasture and get with the times with magnetic ride control.

The Camaro's both ran great at VIR, and the Camaro SS1LE is a really great package for that car. Erik

I have a friend with a highly modded 2012 GT500 and he lowered it, installed a Watts link with Strano suspension pieces and said it's a night and day difference.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

I have a friend with a highly modded 2012 GT500 and he lowered it, installed a Watts link with Strano suspension pieces and said it's a night and day difference.

I plan on installing a Fays2 watts link. From my understanding its a huge difference. Not as much as say a Griggs kit but huge for stability.

[ZL1-V]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

I plan on installing a Fays2 watts link. From my understanding its a huge difference. Not as much as say a Griggs kit but huge for stability.

I had a Griggs kit on my 96 Mustang Cobra. It was not cheap in 1996. The solid rear axle and chassis flex has to be improved upon. Under hard useage in corners the axle would shift and the only cure was Griggs stuff.I also was using Global west caster/camber plates and Saleen sway bars. It was a night and day difference as I discovered during a SVT sponsored track day at Willow Springs on the streets course! I do not understand why Ford did not stick with the IRS platform? They did it for what one year? I'm guessing re tooling and cost?

It will be a great experience taking my ZL1 to the track and improving and tweeking it a bit. It doesn't need a lot. Now I understand why the new cars costs as much as they do.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Watch the video of the GT500 and that will give a good reason why THE DRIVER could not get a decent time with the GT500. Getting in and out of the throttle constantly while in the middle of corners really doesnt help. LOL

I think everybody knows what happened and why. The ZL1 won this one. Its that simple, or is it.

I guess you could use that as an excuse but nobody said the video they showed was the lap that set the fastest time did they? Multiple people drove these cars and nobody knows which driver pulled the fast lap and in any car all we know is the fast lap. So yet again the ford guys will find away to make it out to be a "rigged" event because they feal the magazines favor certain manufactures.

[RED DEMON SS]

Home > Features > Lightning Lap 2013: Hot Cars, Hot Track, Hot Laps - Feature Page 8
Lightning Lap 2013: Results and Sector Times

For the seventh time, we put the year's hottest performance cars to the ultimate test.

2013 Overall Results 4.1-MILE ROAD
COURSE, LAP TIME
MIN:SEC/MPH PEAK
SPEED,
MPH

FERRARI 458 ITALIA
2:49.9/86.9
158.0
LEXUS LFA
2:55.1/84.3
150.1
CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1
2:57.5/83.2
142.9
MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG BLACK SERIES
2:58.0/82.9
143.9
PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S
2:58.9/82.5
143.2
FORD SHELBY GT500
3:00.6/81.7
147.5
CHEVROLET CAMARO SS 1LE
3:01.5/81.3
134.9
JAGUAR XKR-S
3:02.1/81.1
147.1
PORSCHE BOXSTER S
3:04.2/80.1
136.7
AUDI RS5
3:04.3/80.1
139.6
BMW M6
3:04.7/79.9
141.6
BMW M5
3:05.2/79.7
145.8
AUDI S6
3:09.8/77.8
135.9
BMW 335i
3:13.2/76.4
129.6
HYUNDAI GENESIS 3.8 R-SPEC
3:13.9/76.1
128.8
DODGE CHARGER PURSUIT
3:17.8/74.6
121.9
SUBARU BRZ
3:18.6/74.3
116.6

Turning in late and getting back on full power early is how the Ferrari scorches this sector. It's only a tenth up on the ZL1, but 4.5 MPH faster at the exit.

Tracking out all the way lengthens the setup time for the subsequent left-hand turns.

To comply with American Le Mans series requirements, VIR added candy-cane FIA-style curbing in several corners.

Exploiting the extra-wide track surface here is hampered by Sector 2's combination of quick grade changes and large-radius corners that challenge the 458's suspension.

Excessive contact with curbing upsets every car, including the 458, increasing Sector-2 split times. A light nibble of each curb with the outside edges of the tires yields the quickest pass.

The last Sector-2 corner is critical to a good lap. Exiting too wide botches the entry to the next bend, a terrifying 90-mph left. Best results come from sacrificing a little speed in the esses to achieve maximum velocity in the next turn.

The little hill leading into Sector 3 further tests the 458's brakes. It's the site of the highest deceleration spike: -1.18g.

A quick stab of the gas on the downhill cuts a tenth off the 458's sector time.

Have patience in the final turn and you're rewarded with 100 mph shortly thereafter.

We didn't touch the 458's brakes in Sector 4. An early upshift into third gear is the only acceleration reduction necessary. The Ferrari's aplomb at the cornering limit is what makes it quickest here.

A quick and narrow switchback unsettles the 458's chassis before the flowing road of Sector 4.

A groove in the track and some banking aid the 458's speed in Sector 5's long right-hander. The result: an impressive 1.2-g cornering limit.

The track is slightly off-camber leading into Sector 5's start, requiring precise vehicle placement.

[Chrisrp454]

Humm why no vette?

[Mutant Racer]

Sorry Red Demon but I love your avatar!

"Put the evidence in the car!"


Anyway, nice to see the ZL1 kicking butt.

[Frid]

Noice!

[HDRDTD]

Here we go AGAIN.

[RED DEMON SS]

Originally Posted by Mutant Racer

Sorry Red Demon but I love your avatar!

"Put the evidence in the car!"


Anyway, nice to see the ZL1 kicking butt.

Yeah my boy came up with it since i am freshly out on Parole, lol