Camaro vs Ferrari

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

It's just a.... dumb question... OBVIOUSLY a ferrari would smoke a camaro. It's like 10x the price of a camaro, first off, and second off it's an actual car made for racing. I'm not trying to be offensive to the OP, just saying, it's kind of a dumb question.

It's not a dumb question. And speaking from experience like I said the 360 doesn't feel like it should even have the ferrari label on it. The power isn't all that great and the only thing you really notice is the lightness of the car. Put it this way a 46000 LS3 vette will handle the 360 spider. So to think just because it cost 10 times the amount its a dumb question is stupid. The Camaro could hang right there with it. It would come down to the driver.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

NOW A Zr1 vs a ferrari, that'd sure show them italian girls what real american power is!

Hell, the base C6 Corvette could beat that thing. It consistantly posts time in the very low 12s, and handles just as well.

No need to take the mighty ZR1 out...that's cruel and unusual punishment!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

The 360 is 700lbs lighter and has the same horsepower as a camaro 2ss. There's really no way the camaro would win... I just don't see a comparision here. Like I said, if we want to do fair fights like throw in some hennessey camaros. Then we can talk.

There is no comparison....he asked who we thought would win...we gave him a variety of outcomes (none of them, I believe, stating the Camaro would have it)....that's it. Why are you getting so defensive?

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

I love watching the video of the ZR1 smoking the GTR, Porshe GT2 and Ferrari 599.

I watch it whenever I'm upset...it cheers me up.
(That, and the Prius crash-test vids)

[Georgie]

Originally Posted by ssump29

It's not a dumb question. And speaking from experience like I said the 360 doesn't feel like it should even have the ferrari label on it. The power isn't all that great and the only thing you really notice is the lightness of the car. Put it this way a 46000 LS3 vette will handle the 360 spider. So to think just because it cost 10 times the amount its a dumb question is stupid. The Camaro could hang right there with it. It would come down to the driver.

i agree that the LS3 vette will compete but the camaro is too heavy to compete

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

There's no way a stock camaro would beat a stock ferrari. Ferrari is lighter and packs more heat than a camaro. Now if we got one of them Hennesy550 or 600s, that'd be an interesting race. But stock for stock, ferrari will always win, unless you have an idiot driving.

Umm.. I know you are not trying to..but do you know what an F355 is? How about the 550? The Camaro can in fact beat Ferraris... just depends on which model.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

There's no way a stock camaro would beat a stock ferrari. Ferrari is lighter and packs more heat than a camaro. Now if we got one of them Hennesy550 or 600s, that'd be an interesting race. But stock for stock, ferrari will always win, unless you have an idiot driving.

Do you even know the spec on a 360 spider? I can tell you don't, the spider only packs 400 hp and the TQ is little to none under 4000rpms. And to get the best performance out of it you need to be able to take the RPMS up to 8500 which is its rev limiter. And if you can't shift it correctly when approaching the high revs, the car won't do anything for you. But like I said it should win and do so because of the power it finally unleashes at high RPMS, but out the block it would play catch up. If drivers are equal the 360 wins, but to think it blows out the SS is crazy thinking itself. Its a spider 360 not a 599.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

And L99 has the same horsepower. If we go to the LS3, there is no way 26 horsepower is going to compensate for 700lbs.

Ok you are not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying the Camaro is winning. Look I have driven the 360 and telling you how the car performs. From a stand still they will be neck and neck with the camaro pulling a little more in the beginning because of the TQ level at low RPMS. The TQ level on the 360 is really low until you get past 4000 RPMS, and thats when the car comes alive. But if you can't shift the car right away once in the high RPMS you will lose your power. Trust me I have done it, and its a lot hard to shift even with the F-1 trans. You will floor that thing and its got no growl to let you know when to shift once pass 4000 RPMS.

All I'm saying is that the SS wouldn't be to far (a car and a quarter) behind as long as both are running through their gears correctly. You just seem to think the SS can't compete when its the exact opposite any slip in not hitting your shift correctly is the difference.

TQ is key and the 360 requires very high RPMS to get the TQ out as oppose to the SS which can do it at low RPMS.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

I know. I was just being an asshole. I'm sorry was just in a bad mood... I understand completely what you're saying.

yeah its cool. Its just I hear so much about that spider where I'm at, and people seem to think hp wins the races. Then I point out the hp isn't where it is at, but more TQ when starting off and given the SS has 145 more TQ stock then that model, the weight advantage starts to become null and void but not all the way.

Yeah many people don't know but the TQ on that 360 is rated at 275 @ 4750 RPMS. Think about that for a moment, now what model of the camaro does that remind you of.

[Georgie]

if modenas do run low 12s its going to be several car lengths ahead of the SS. Is 12.2 standard for them?

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Georgie

if modenas do run low 12s its going to be several car lengths ahead of the SS. Is 12.2 standard for them?

No it is not. More then likely you will get 12.5 to high 12's the majority of times.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by ssump29

No it is not. More then likely you will get 12.5 to high 12's the majority of times.

Exactly..just like a 12.8 isn't a 'standard' time for a 5th gen. Unless you have a great driver in one car and a really poor driver in the other it would like be a 'close race' (perspective changes this) but the 360 will win by a few lengths each time.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

Exactly..just like a 12.8 isn't a 'standard' time for a 5th gen. Unless you have a great driver in one car and a really poor driver in the other it would like be a 'close race' (perspective changes this) but the 360 will win by a few lengths each time.

and who ever said 12.8 was standard for a 5th gen because it certainly wasn't me. I give the 360 the nod but not by much, in the end like I said it comes down to both drivers going through the gears correctly. Thats the difference.

Remember though the 360 only get 275 TQ @ 4750 and 400hp @ 8500 RPMS (which is the redline limit in this car.) Although the ferrari is close to 700 lbs less you can see why the numbers are so close, the ferrari has to be pushed to its limits to achieve its highest output so shifting is really critical when driving this car. shift to early and you won't beat the SS.

[Milk 1027]

well the 360 is an auto transmission, so that takes away from any "bad driver" scenario

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by ssump29

and who ever said 12.8 was standard for a 5th gen because it certainly wasn't me. I give the 360 the nod but not by much, in the end like I said it comes down to both drivers going through the gears correctly. Thats the difference.

Remember though the 360 only get 275 TQ @ 4750 and 400hp @ 8500 RPMS (which is the redline limit in this car.) Although the ferrari is close to 700 lbs less you can see why the numbers are so close, the ferrari has to be pushed to its limits to achieve its highest output so shifting is really critical when driving this car. shift to early and you won't beat the SS.

I never said you stated that man..relax. Just trying to make sure people didn't get the wrong impression here...

Torque isn't the make or break here at all... When driven to it's max the 360 is still going to be a half second quicker and post ~5 mph higher traps. I've run against one into the triples with a pretty stout CC306 cammed LT1 car and can honestly say my LS1 camaro would get raped by one (considering how close my LT1 was against the Ferrari). I know the 5th gen is 500 seconds faster than my LS1 but I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.

Every car has to be pushed to it's limit to perform...I know people who believe the other driver is going to suck everytime they line up and they are perfect drivers but reality is you have every chance of screwing up that they do.