Possible Federal Mandate for More Nannies in our Cars

[greenrail]

Unless you have been hiding the past few months,you know about the Toyota situation regarding throttle problems. AS a result of this, the Automotive News is reporting that the US Department of Transportation is considering a Brake Override system to force your car to override the throttle when both the Brake Pedal and the Throttle are pressed at the same time.

Here's a brief quote from the Article at Automotive News this morning:

"U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has said that safety regulators may require all new cars to have braking systems that tell the engine to return to idle when both accelerator and brake pedals are depressed."

Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz0hhOA87mo

This is from an article about Mazda installing these on their cars. They also cite VW, Chrysler, and Mercedes as already doing this. Likely,it seems as this is one of the things Toyota may do.

I for one am somewhat disappointed in this possibility. It is basically taking full control of our vehicles out of our hands.

I dread the day when this may be on our Camaros. Now if we had the option of disabling this when we wanted, I could live with that.

I won't make any further political comments, as that leads to a spiral ending in closing this thread.

Please keep the discussions civil here.

[christianmotox]

Just make all cars with manual transmissions.

[haleyd]

Originally Posted by christianmotox

Just make all cars with manual transmissions.

i would never be able to drive a car again if they did that. me + stick shift = hot mess lol

[Mr. Wyndham]

It makes sense...in the event somebody freaks out and jams both pedals down...this will allow them to stop.

BUT...it could also interfere with heel-toe shifting unless it could be "turned off" via sport mode on the traction control.

Personally...I'd like to see more effort placed on changing the DRIVER than the car...a comprehensive driver-education program would be nice...

Write your legislators!

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Good thing they make line locks and tranny brakes.

[cab2g]

Originally Posted by greenrail

Unless you have been hiding the past few months,you know about the Toyota situation regarding throttle problems. AS a result of this, the Automotive News is reporting that the US Department of Transportation is considering a Brake Override system to force your car to override the throttle when both the Brake Pedal and the Throttle are pressed at the same time.

Here's a brief quote from the Article at Automotive News this morning:

"U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has said that safety regulators may require all new cars to have braking systems that tell the engine to return to idle when both accelerator and brake pedals are depressed."

Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz0hhOA87mo

This is from an article about Mazda installing these on their cars. They also cite VW, Chrysler, and Mercedes as already doing this. Likely,it seems as this is one of the things Toyota may do.

I for one am somewhat disappointed in this possibility. It is basically taking full control of our vehicles out of our hands.

I dread the day when this may be on our Camaros. Now if we had the option of disabling this when we wanted, I could live with that.

I won't make any further political comments, as that leads to a spiral ending in closing this thread.

Please keep the discussions civil here.

goodbye burnouts with automatic transmissions! Oh and would this apply for the two feet driver people that you see around that ride the brakes while accelerating???

[GreyGhost]

While it would cure the two-footed drivers (you know, the ones doing 40 mph with the brake lights lit leaving you no way of knowing when they really use the brakes)...it would make it tough to do a burnout.

Think of the money I could save on tires!

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It makes sense...in the event somebody freaks out and jams both pedals down...this will allow them to stop.

BUT...it could also interfere with heel-toe shifting unless it could be "turned off" via sport mode on the traction control.

Personally...I'd like to see more effort placed on changing the DRIVER than the car...a comprehensive driver-education program would be nice...

Write your legislators!

Jalopnik interviewed a Toyota product guy about the system because of the upcoming FT-86 sports car and the fear that you can't do A) Burnouts and B) heel/toe downshifts. He said its a lot more than just an on/off switch, its part of the computer and monitors vehicle speed and other things so it can tell when you're doing something like that or if you are panic stopping.

[greenrail]

It certainly is going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Certainly will have an impact on heel/toe driving for sure . I guess a lot will depend on the way this is programmed into the system. Which is scary too in light of all the questions being raised about the computers and electronics.

[TiE2000]

I don't know about anyone else here... but my first reaction when "panic stopping" is not to hit the brake and gas at the same time...

[cab2g]

Originally Posted by TiE2000

I don't know about anyone else here... but my first reaction when "panic stopping" is not to hit the brake and gas at the same time...

not to defend my actions as a 15 year old, but one time my dad didn't think I was stopping fast enough in the garage. So my 15 year old instinct told me I must be on the wrong pedal. So I slammed the other pedal and rammed the garage wall. Luckily you can't accelerate too much in 10 feet

But sometimes peoples instincts are just off. And since I drive a manual transmission I use the left foot for the clutch and right for the brake in an emergency stopping situation. So what if somebody somehow got their feet shifted and slammed the accelerator and brake by accident?

[TiE2000]

Originally Posted by cab2g

not to defend my actions as a 15 year old, but one time my dad didn't think I was stopping fast enough in the garage. So my 15 year old instinct told me I must be on the wrong pedal. So I slammed the other pedal and rammed the garage wall. Luckily you can't accelerate too much in 10 feet

But sometimes peoples instincts are just off. And since I drive a manual transmission I use the left foot for the clutch and right for the brake in an emergency stopping situation. So what if somebody somehow got their feet shifted and slammed the accelerator and brake by accident?

So I guess your dad's instincts were correct

I would say you are a minority here, as most people are not 16 when driving and know their way around a manual..... so for the most part they are not going to hit the wrong peddle.

besides in a year or so... driving a stick will come natural and you will no longer be in that minority.



Edit: Unless your one of my three sisters...

[ljustin293]

Originally Posted by haleyd

i would never be able to drive a car again if they did that. me + stick shift = hot mess lol

lol

[Tal]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Jalopnik interviewed a Toyota product guy about the system because of the upcoming FT-86 sports car and the fear that you can't do A) Burnouts and B) heel/toe downshifts. He said its a lot more than just an on/off switch, its part of the computer and monitors vehicle speed and other things so it can tell when you're doing something like that or if you are panic stopping.

While I'm sure a system can be designed to tell the difference that doesn't mean the rules will be written to allow such behavior. Always gotta keep an eye on those regulators and politicians!