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*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-01-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Well, DCT is one, second thing I could think of is the fact that AWD systems are getting more and more efficient...The funny thing I think you bring up is that it's not ground breaking. Were you serious about that, twin turbo AWD, DCT, launch assist for under a base price of $70k dollars...that is supercar territory my friend...not to mention the fact that this car hits over 400ftlbs of torque by something like 1700rpm...I really can't see how you don't think it is ground breaking...even if it is an ugly duckling.

I was serious. I've seen it all before (ferrari/Lambo/BMW?) with their DCT's. Chrysler's putting one in their Minivans for heavens sakes. Twin Turbos are old news in my book...Now, that's not to say that I've ever seen all these things together in this particular setup...but still

.....That's why I don't understand why folks think this is some divinely created car...

I just don't get it. And, personally....I don't think it's going to stand up to any serious use - all that for the price is a selling point (but something's gotta give. And we all know the equation: Power, Quality, Price...pick two.)

As for credit:

YES! it's a fast car. It's got very impressive charactersitics...but that doesn't mean I'm going to hold it up on a pedestal. I see no reason, I just can't do it.

EDIT: supposedly the Drag Coeffiecient is .27 on the GT-R...and it's .28 on the C6 Vette. Is that enough to explain the performance differences?? I'm just not sure, so I thought I'd ask.

*KILLER74Z28* · 03-01-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I am seriously considering ordering one of those shirts in black... lol

Me too. those shirts are "kickassedness"...

*KILLER74Z28* · 03-01-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Haha, well...it would be close...If....you didn't spin through the first 3 gears...gluck with that though.

Sorry I don't wan't to sound against muscle/america...so please, no one take this down the slippery slope, but the GT-R is deffinetly the new performance bargain on the block...we'll see how the C7 does.

How is it a “performance bargain” at 129G's +???

Nissan dealers could charge up to $129,000 for GT-R
Posted Jan 31st 2008 12:32PM by Damon Lavrinc
Filed under: Car Buying, Sports/GTs, Supercars, Nissan

We knew it was bound to happen, but we didn't know to what extent Nissan dealers would be gouging enthusiasts here in the States for the first legal taste of GT-R goodness. Our friend Ty over at ExhuastNote.com decided to do some leg work to find out what markup retailers would be charging for the new Nissan GT-R, and after calling 15 dealerships throughout California, Florida, Illinois, Texas, Virginia and Washington the markups ranged from $20,000 to $60,000 over the GT-R's $69k base price. As Ty pointed out, that could get you a new 350Z and a Sentra.

With only 1,500 examples being available during the first year, this is no real surprise. Supply and demand is in full effect, and for the time being, only the most financially solvent and patient among us will be able to get their hands on Nissan's newest "notness".

SilverTurtle · 03-01-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Ugh...some people just can't give credit were credit is due...I hope you have an excuse for the girl sitting next to you if you ever come up to a red light with one of those...

when we see some times for a C6Z06 with race slicks on it, I'll give it some credit... when we see some numbers from the street tests, I'll give it some credit... when we see that this car can last as a daily driver like a C6 Z06 can, I'll give it some credit... until then, its just another fast car in a world of fast cars.

and I'll never need to make an excuase because I'll never come up against one of these cars at a redlight... mostly because the people who own them will be well and away farther from sitting at red lights in my neck of the woods... and besides, every time I've seen something like an R33 or 22b, I've been in the Tahoe... which we all know is just roadkill for cars like that... so why would my luck change now that Nissan is offering a $70+k sports car in America?

*DGthe3* · 03-01-2008, 01:31 AM

I count the base price as being the real price, not the massive markups that people pay. The ZR-1 will have similar issues. It will be hard to get one without paying 150k. But still, those prices for that level of performance is a 'good deal'. The only other car with as much bang for the buck is the Viper. Everthing else thats below 150k will most likely get beat by these cars. Thats impressive to me.

Of course, somone could take a new Camaro, supercharge it (plus everthing else you need to do to get it over 700 hp, and handle the power), upgrade the brakes and suspension, gut the interior, and it should beat any of those cars for less money. But thats apples to oranges. A fully tuned civic could beat a stock Camaro too.

Kyle2k · 03-01-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

when we see some times for a C6Z06 with race slicks on it, I'll give it some credit... when we see some numbers from the street tests, I'll give it some credit... when we see that this car can last as a daily driver like a C6 Z06 can, I'll give it some credit... until then, its just another fast car in a world of fast cars.

and I'll never need to make an excuase because I'll never come up against one of these cars at a redlight... mostly because the people who own them will be well and away farther from sitting at red lights in my neck of the woods... and besides, every time I've seen something like an R33 or 22b, I've been in the Tahoe... which we all know is just roadkill for cars like that... so why would my luck change now that Nissan is offering a $70+k sports car in America?

Well...go to insideline.com right now and go look up the numbers...they have already been done...I enjoy how its like, well, give this guy some slicks and he'll do this...NO...I'm talking stock for stock right now. Furthermore about the daily driver stuff...they mention that too. It is all in a video

CaptianSam · 03-01-2008, 02:10 PM

first off there is nothing wrong with TASTEFUL rice-ing... alla ...my twin turbo 350z... i dont go ripping around with body kits and ugly wings... but my 350z does low 12's on stock wheels and tires... (track pack) however the GTR 'IS' not the bargain performance cars to end all... instead... it is a piece of asian technology and is thier take on the pinnicle of "affordable" supercars...viper, z06 are in this category the skyline does embark on some extremely radical and GROUNDBREAKING technology... the polyphony digital race display to the all wheel drive ALL WHEEL STEER... most people in here bash the car (i for one dont hate or love the radical styling) but you need to give some credit to them for making a super fast car (911 turbo fast) at half the price... although this comes at the cost of mediocre interior... alla z06, viper... i have a viper... it has the same radio head unit as my moms caravan...and i had a c5 vette the interior wasn't AMAZING.. i would compare the GTR and Z06 and viper together even though the gtr is only a 3.7 turbo...
all have mediocre interior, are pure performace bred and cost around 100G's
or even a ZR-1
the VQ37 is going to be bomb strong and reliable the car is going handle AMAZING its got weight BUT it's super fast and holds .95 g's (i think)
technology vs muscle

Kyle2k · 03-01-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptianSam

first off there is nothing wrong with TASTEFUL rice-ing... alla ...my twin turbo 350z... i dont go ripping around with body kits and ugly wings... but my 350z does low 12's on stock wheels and tires... (track pack) however the GTR 'IS' not the bargain performance cars to end all... instead... it is a piece of asian technology and is thier take on the pinnicle of "affordable" supercars...viper, z06 are in this category the skyline does embark on some extremely radical and GROUNDBREAKING technology... the polyphony digital race display to the all wheel drive ALL WHEEL STEER... most people in here bash the car (i for one dont hate or love the radical styling) but you need to give some credit to them for making a super fast car (911 turbo fast) at half the price... although this comes at the cost of mediocre interior... alla z06, viper... i have a viper... it has the same radio head unit as my moms caravan...and i had a c5 vette the interior wasn't AMAZING.. i would compare the GTR and Z06 and viper together even though the gtr is only a 3.7 turbo...
all have mediocre interior, are pure performace bred and cost around 100G's
or even a ZR-1
the VQ37 is going to be bomb strong and reliable the car is going handle AMAZING its got weight BUT it's super fast and holds .95 g's (i think)
technology vs muscle

How old are you? Your parents must be very well off by the pure sake that you own 11 cars. Your insurance payments must be so rediculously crazy that I can't even imagine what they do, even if they were both doctors all those cars would probably be well over 20k every 6 months....thats for sure...secondly, the GT-R doesnt use a VQ series engine and it is 3.8 liters...not 3.7

SilverTurtle · 03-01-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Well...go to insideline.com right now and go look up the numbers...they have already been done...I enjoy how its like, well, give this guy some slicks and he'll do this...NO...I'm talking stock for stock right now. Furthermore about the daily driver stuff...they mention that too. It is all in a video

I see what you're talking about on insideline.com, but I've got some points that I want you to acknowledge when you are trying to tell us that the car deserves more credit than we are giving it.

go to this link and this link and you will find that they are "targetting" or making "at least" power claims... to me, this means that nothing has been set in stone... to me, this means that what they did at the 'Ring was not what will be available on the streets of the US... and I can PROMISE you that the car was on slicks when it was at the 'Ring because you can tell by the sound of the tires at their limits... its just a simple fact, man... you can make a car go fast in a straight line if you put better tires on it... and the Z06 does its business with runflats and the GT-R does it with regular street tires... there are guys putting Michelin PS2 tires on Z06s and running 3.3 seconds to 60 and in the 10s in the quarter (or faster, since here's a guy doing 10s on runflats at MIR link to Z06 in the 10s )

make no mistake, I have NO loyalty to only American muscle... I drive a Civic Si for a daily driver, for crying out loud... but when you dont compare apples to apples, you dont get a fair comparison... the GT-R is a GREAT performance value for the money, but dont expect me, or anyone else here, to accpet it as better than a Z06 or ZR1... like I've said before, and no matter the technology that it uses (which, I might add, is quite impressive), the GT-R is just another fast car in a world of fast cars.

MCPOAJ · 03-01-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Ugh...some people just can't give credit were credit is due...I hope you have an excuse for the girl sitting next to you if you ever come up to a red light with one of those...

don't worry when i'm riding in a car that has a ZZ572 deluxe 720R i won't need excuses

Kyle2k · 03-01-2008, 07:17 PM

I don't know what that is lol, please enlighten me. Oh nevermind a crate engine...good luck fitting a 572 in there though...same goes for keeping traction and not breaking something

you better hope hes dumb enough to not race from a dig, the same "ricers" won't be driving these cars either...they are 70k cars, hopefully the guy behind the wheel will be smart enough, I'd sure hope so if hes making enough to afford one of those.

MCPOAJ · 03-01-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I don't know what that is lol, please enlighten me. Oh nevermind a crate engine...good luck fitting a 572 in there though...same goes for keeping traction and not breaking something

you better hope hes dumb enough to not race from a dig, the same "ricers" won't be driving these cars either...they are 70k cars, hopefully the guy behind the wheel will be smart enough, I'd sure hope so if hes making enough to afford one of those.

yea don't worry i know what i'm doin and yea i don't think some honda ricer is gonna get one of those unless he gets

Kyle2k · 03-02-2008, 11:25 AM

Well, when you figure that out let me know too, because a 572 sounds awesome.

03-01-2008, 01:31 AM	#19
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	I count the base price as being the real price, not the massive markups that people pay. The ZR-1 will have similar issues. It will be hard to get one without paying 150k. But still, those prices for that level of performance is a 'good deal'. The only other car with as much bang for the buck is the Viper. Everthing else thats below 150k will most likely get beat by these cars. Thats impressive to me. Of course, somone could take a new Camaro, supercharge it (plus everthing else you need to do to get it over 700 hp, and handle the power), upgrade the brakes and suspension, gut the interior, and it should beat any of those cars for less money. But thats apples to oranges. A fully tuned civic could beat a stock Camaro too. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-01-2008, 02:10 PM	#21
CaptianSam Car Garage Drives: 350z,A4,SRT8...see sig Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: north west Posts: 830	first off there is nothing wrong with TASTEFUL rice-ing... alla ...my twin turbo 350z... i dont go ripping around with body kits and ugly wings... but my 350z does low 12's on stock wheels and tires... (track pack) however the GTR 'IS' not the bargain performance cars to end all... instead... it is a piece of asian technology and is thier take on the pinnicle of "affordable" supercars...viper, z06 are in this category the skyline does embark on some extremely radical and GROUNDBREAKING technology... the polyphony digital race display to the all wheel drive ALL WHEEL STEER... most people in here bash the car (i for one dont hate or love the radical styling) but you need to give some credit to them for making a super fast car (911 turbo fast) at half the price... although this comes at the cost of mediocre interior... alla z06, viper... i have a viper... it has the same radio head unit as my moms caravan...and i had a c5 vette the interior wasn't AMAZING.. i would compare the GTR and Z06 and viper together even though the gtr is only a 3.7 turbo... all have mediocre interior, are pure performace bred and cost around 100G's or even a ZR-1 the VQ37 is going to be bomb strong and reliable the car is going handle AMAZING its got weight BUT it's super fast and holds .95 g's (i think) technology vs muscle __________________ 2012 2SS RS Ordered Black on Black 6 speed Coupe Artic Lid Stripes Yes I Supercharge Everything On My Ipad Xbox McLovin1515 Ps3 McLovin1555 Current Autos:68z28,03viperSRT10,04escalade,05RangeRoverSport SC Project Autos:80corvette350-500hp 6speed,06charger S'C 6-speed posi,74Firebird400blue,69chevelle572 707 New Autos:2012CamaroSSRS,09ChallengerSRT8 Past Autos:....too many to list "i told you it was gettin' an LS3" Go down deep enough into anything and you will find mathematics. Dean Schlicter B.Sc. Hons. Mathematics

03-01-2008, 07:17 PM	#25
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	I don't know what that is lol, please enlighten me. Oh nevermind a crate engine...good luck fitting a 572 in there though...same goes for keeping traction and not breaking something you better hope hes dumb enough to not race from a dig, the same "ricers" won't be driving these cars either...they are 70k cars, hopefully the guy behind the wheel will be smart enough, I'd sure hope so if hes making enough to afford one of those.

03-02-2008, 11:25 AM	#27
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	Well, when you figure that out let me know too, because a 572 sounds awesome.