03-19-2008, 05:15 PM | #85 | |
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You couldn't be more correct...this is the market the T4 will reach. And thats ok. Plus there always the rental market...that this would fit ito also. And over seas....so don't get your panties in a bind! EVERYONE keep in mind...to keep the Camaro in the line up, GM has to proivde different models for different markets. Also planning ahead for the CAFE rules and requirments!
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The 2002 SS Hardtop, was just under $30,000 so the new car will be more than that. Price a Pontiac G8 with a V8 and see what you come up with...I think you'll find it's more than $30,000...same platform as the new Camaro. The Impala SS is also in that 30k range as well. Earning Potential...that term confuses me, it sounds like something arbitrary that some boss has assigned to you...I would not accept it.
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03-19-2008, 05:18 PM | #87 |
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This is how i see it
economy camaro: 4 banger Basline camaro: V-6 SS/Z-28: LS2 and don't deny it he said 400 hp V-8 WITH A CUTOFF ...wow we sure have a mustang fighter on our hands... |
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Perhaps all you old timers have forgotten, and you young whippersnappers don't know this, but in 1982-86 the 3rd gen Camaro had a 4 cylinder engine standard. The late unlamented Iron Duke. Yes it was awful but there is a precedent for it. I'm more concerned about this damn AFM system. Why can't we just have the 402 hp 6.2 as announced for the G8 GXP? You would think economies of scale would make this engine the way to go. I don't plan on having my '10 SS on "cruising mode" a great deal of the time. And why detune the CTS 3.6? It's not like the CTS and Camaro buyers will be cross shopping. Just my 2 cents
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03-19-2008, 05:23 PM | #89 |
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I am sure all of this has been covered since I have only read the first 2 pages of the thread so far and most of what I am saying has been said. I am at work and it is sometimes hard for me to read to much of this at once.
The big one I have not seen mentioned is "this will not be a heavy car" the fact that they are bringing focus on this is a big positive. The I4 from what I understand would be the low version of the car instead of a low end V6 this will help spread the cost of the car and help them hit sales goals. I am not sure why the V6 would have only 260 horses that seem strange to me since Ed Wagner had said 300 about a week ago. You can all still get your 400hp V8 don't worry actually this helps them make those cars under CAFE. As far as a premium, in car speak if you are charging a premium to a competitor that is like 10% so if the mustang GT with the V8 is 26,500 he is suggesting 29,000 higher than I had hoped but if as he is suggesting I do not need as many options I am ok with a starting price in that range. He is not saying something like 35,000 for the "main or base" V8 because then is would not be direct competition to the GT. As long as they are providing more options with the I4 and not taking away the V8, delivering a car that is not heavy, and reasonably priced including things as standard that most people would have bought as options anyway. I think it is great. |
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and i agree with you totally. if there is a 4 banger, its allgravy. im not going to buy it. there will be a v8 and thats what i get. i bet they get more customers going this route. Its all business
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03-19-2008, 05:26 PM | #91 |
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Thank you! I don't get that bit at all. Hopefully that's not something that came directly out of Lutz's mouth but a figure they came up with to have something else to "spice up".
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03-19-2008, 05:27 PM | #92 |
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Man you guys are gonna get some much **** from the cobalt guys cause they're gonna beat the **** out of a 4 banger maro and if ANYONE was worried about selling cars it's chrystler they NEED it right now and they didn't make a 4 banger challenger.
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And all the V6 bashers that basically hold the V6 Stang mentality; keep hating, because the experience i had in the new CTS w/ the 3.6 was nothing short of amazing and I enjoyed every last second behind the wheel of that car w/ that engine.
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03-19-2008, 05:30 PM | #94 |
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Meh, I'm not buying the 4cyl or the image that the camaro is better than anything on the street... If some cobalt guy gives me shit about camaros having a 4 cyl then ill just ask him to meet me at the track and let the cars do the talking. Care less about the "image" that some of you are so stuck on. Its a friggin car.
RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG, and you only have yourself to blame if you buy a 4cyl. I can see it being popular, just like the V6's. Especially with gas prices.
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03-19-2008, 05:31 PM | #95 |
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Either way the point is I think I agree with whom ever said that putting a 4 cylinder engine in a Camaro is an insult. On one hand you guys and FBodFather talk about tradition and joy of owning a Camaro..... well that all just went down the drain. How proud could you possibly be of having a 4 cylinder 'muscle car'?
What happened to the rumbling tradition of the good ole regular V8 or V6 engine? A lot of you point out the potential of 4 and 6 cylinder engines.... I agree, but then why wouldn't a go buy my self a schnazzy car that is meant to have a 4 cylinder. This is like the ricer thing....trying to be a Camaro...that really isnt. I mean are you joking me with all this. And whats the premium pricing all of a sudden? What happened to competitive. I think everyone agrees that paying more for the Camaro is viable given its a better product....but the idea is to be 'competitive' not premium...... I think it's about time the Fbodfather chime in and clear things up? It would me much appreciated. The sad part about this is..... I think all of its actually true and it really will define the future of cars in general let alone muscle cars. I suppose im done "having the faith'..... another couple months if there is no real concrete info I think im just gunna have to buy a base line vette or more likely a mustang gt or saleen i guess. I mean i dont wanna pay 40 grand plus for a 400 horse Camaro. Its a sad day today.
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03-19-2008, 05:32 PM | #96 |
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Yea, i dont know what the big deal is.
Remember that the base (small engine) is the highest seller. They are just trying to offer a more fuel effecient option. The people that buy those arent buying it for extreme performance. Its also good to hear about the 50/50 weight distribution (for the V6). This means the V8 will be pretty close to that.
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i'm just saying that if you think about it you guys spent 25,000+ on a T4 camaro or you could get a T4 cobalt for 20,000- and the camaro does have a good weight distrabution but the thing is the cobalt is a lot smaller. and everyone that gets a T4 balt and the ricer people will brag about how they beat a camaro. AND I ABSOLUTLY HATE HEARING THIS CRAP. i love the camaro its just whats gonna happen
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Drive a 5th-gen 4 cylinder Camaro then bitch...
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