Camaro V6 vs. Evo X

[manimsoblack]

Well as the Honda had 11.84hp per lb, and 13.66lb-ft per lb and the Camaro has ~ 12.43hp per lb, and ~13.85lb-ft per lb it should be about a dead heat depending on gearing and who get's the better start, etc. I mean yeah it's a Honda, but it's a Honda that'll beat just about all stock older muscle cars, so it's worthy competition in my book. Props to Honda for making an accord that can compete with a Camaro. I still think the Camaro is way sexier, so i won't be getting a Honda any time soon. Also if you put the 6k that you'd spend to get the base Accord coupe into the base Camaro's performance that race would be a laugh

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

beat is a pretty vague word! If you are talking straightline from a stop, how can we know until this car is on the street. Other than launching into straightlines I think the camaro wins hand down on all fronts, JMO!

yeah thats what im hopping for is that the camaro will be released and I will be pleasantly surprised but its not looking that way. When I say beat. I mean the accord should not be mentioned in the same sentence with any model of camaro. The camaro should beat it stop light to stop light and in the turns, im confident in the latter but the stop light to stop light still has me worried.

[2010 SS]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

Props to Honda for making an accord that can compete with a Camaro. I still think the Camaro is way sexier, so i won't be getting a Honda any time soon.

Camaro = Sex Appeal

Honda = Mom Appeal

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Camaro = Sex Appeal

Honda = Mom Appeal

[kylepo]

And also a 5 series weighs less I mean these cars are incomparable price wise but they are about the same length and the 5 is rwd and I’m pretty sure it has IRS. So I guess the horse has been beaten to death but the camaro is too fat. Also the 5 series is new model out so it has all the same safety equipment and emission pork as the camaro.

[kylepo]

yeah no doubt the honda that will beat or will be close which is still losing im my mind almost costs as much as an SS so.......

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by kylepo

yeah no doubt the honda that will beat or will be close which is still losing im my mind almost costs as much as an SS so.......

Well you'd better get ready for a paradigm shift. 22-23k cars aren't generally expected to beat much less keep up with 28+k cars. They're generally bargain vehicles, and not very much is expected of them. Look at competitors in that price range for a minute... A competitively priced Ford Fusion will get 160HP 156lb-ft so in other words it's a joke. My Grand AM would run circles around it. V6 Mustang 210hp 240lb-ft; no contest. Caliber r/t 173HP 166lb-ft, Challenger SE 250/250, Magnum/Charger 178/190, Accord 190/162 Coupe and 177/161 Sedan, Civic 140/128... and the list goes on, so basically dollar for dollar we're getting one of the the best looking, best performance, possibly best handling cars out there. And most that compete with it are in the price range of it's bigger bro the SS and they aren't even worthy of being mentioned in comparison to it. So if you want a V6 'maro that'll spank all other V6's put your money where your mouth is and make one. Otherwise quit your griping and be thankful that it is what it is.

I swear that would've only taken 2 or 3 mins to write if i weren't stealing internet as mine is down.

[manimsoblack]

sry about the multi post. my neghbors(?) internet just crapped out on me. so i'm using my phone.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Well I meant they are similar horsepower, semi-similar wieght and coming from this vehicle and moving towards the Camaro, it's an even competition and one hell of a savings.

Simply put, no it isn't.

[OUR72GTO]

Not so sure......... as no one will want to see that butt ugly Honda rear end.

[SilverTurtle]

at the drag strip, the EvoX is going to blow the doors off the Camaro LT and LS... but the SS is going to be the faster car when stacked against the EvoX at the strip.

on a road course, again, the LS and LT Camaro will be road kill for the Evo... but the SS might be able to hold its own with the right driver... its signficantly more powerful, should have the power to weight ratio advantage and it should be easier to rotate with the throttle in case of understeer... it all depends on whether or not the Evo driver can get far enough ahead in the twisties to not be overtaken on the straights.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kylepo

So I guess the horse has been beaten to death but the camaro is too fat. Also the 5 series is new model out so it has all the same safety equipment and emission pork as the camaro.

Every comparable car to the Camaro is within a couple hundred pounds. It's not that heavy (comparably), much less 'fat'. This car was overbuilt to handle SERIOUS power. Take that into consideration....

As for the Accord. I have absolutely no worries. The last numbers GM released was mid-late last year...they're ancient history now as the team has been massaging these cars over the past months. > Honda.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

I was comparing similar HP. 400hp vs 291 seemed quite obvious who might win that one.

I wanted to know how two 300hp vehicles would handle each other, regardless of the $10k price difference.

Well, throw in the H3 Alpha as well. It has about 300 hp. What about an Impala SS? We've already concluded a while ago that the Mustang GT (now with 315 hp) would make short work of the LS/LT Camaros. There is a whole lot more that can make a car fast than peak power. Power to weight is a much better way to guestimate performance than peak numbers. Even then, the evo has all wheel drive and short gearing so it can make up for much of its power deficiency at a stop light vs an SS. 1/4 mile? No chance for the Evo. There is a reason why the Evo costs 10k more than a V6 Camaro.

Originally Posted by kylepo

so can someone tell me why honda can build a 190 inch accord coupe that weighs 3387 lbs. and chevy builds an 190 inch camaro that weighs 3780 lbs. just for a disclaimer I hate let me repeat that hate honda and all foreign cars for that matter.

In addition to the safety standards and rwd, the chassis for the Camaro was designed to not flex with over 500 ftlbs of torque from the engine (supercharged versions have been tested). The never bothered to 'de-inforce' the V6 cars.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

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The never bothered to 'de-inforce' the V6 cars.

A fact that makes me very, very happy.
- Xanthos