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Dude, are you gonna add the 1LE to your ....................... oh... right............. nvmd
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03-30-2012, 09:09 PM | #647 |
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I actually compared stuff like this when looking at the LS3 and coyote motor and decided LS3 because of what appeared to be stronger internals. LS3. Iron crank (This can take a lot of extra hp). You need to get a Boss for a forged crank on the coyote. Sintered Rods (I actually believe the BOSS 302 rods are sintered rods instead of a true forging the regular GT coyote being weaker) Sodium Filled Valves (Again not on the coyote, but you have to get the Boss for that) The coyote motor was already bored and stroked to the max with nothing much more that could be done. The LS3 was not. And time will tell, but it appears the TR6060 is a stronger transmission. I like the transmission and suspension upgrades, but 7-8K for those is a lot of coin. |
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03-30-2012, 09:40 PM | #649 | |
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Should the 1LE option cost that much? Maybe not, but it still performs as well as a BOSS 302 for $2,000 less. Even if it cost $6,000 - $7,000, that is less than it would cost you to duplicate a 1LE with an SS. Keep in mind, you still have a bumper to bumper factory warranty. |
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That's all for $2500 more. I would think the track pack brings the GT pretty damn close to a Boss 302 in the handling department. The boss still had extra horsepower. So ya.....$6-8K as I see it is pretty steep unless I am missing something. No matter. I still have high hopes for the 1LE. I am glad to see GM working on improving the handling. |
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03-30-2012, 11:13 PM | #651 |
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I'd like to refrain from doing a Mustang/Camaro comparison in this thread, guys.
A car is the sum of its parts...not an itemized list. While valuable if complete...the list can't detail what the package does for the car out in the real world. That this car is capable of a sub 3-minute time at VIR is impressive - there are many competitors that can only come close. What's more impressive (to me at least) is that the Camaro team doesn't build cars to post halo times and then leave. They can go lap after lap after lap... IMO, a third of the 1LE's price is tied up in the wheels/tires...the rest, between the suspension, appearance, and drive line improvements. Not a bad price for what you get...I know if this was all happening a year ago - I'd have a touch decision to make.... |
03-31-2012, 12:34 AM | #652 | |
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I look at it this way; Let's say you already have an SS Camaro. How much would it cost to change the transmission, put in a 3.91 gear set, change the shocks (and possibly springs), put in better half shafts, change the wheels and tires, change the steering wheel and shift handle, change the sway bars and end links, add a splitter and rear wing, upgrade the cooling system and upgrade the fuel system? The parts alone would probably cost over $6,000, and that doesn't include labor. However, since the car comes this way from the factory, you have to deduct the cost of the stock parts. So the option might not seem worth the price to some people. As for the Mustang, other than the differential (which doen't help too much), you didn't list anything in the Track Pack that would improve handling. 20-30 horsepower is very easy to overcome on a road course. Want proof? The 1LE is heavier and less powerful than a BOSS 302 (the BOSS makes over 450 HP), yet it is slower around a road course than a 1LE. The car that can carry more speed thru the corners will have a decided advantage, and HP won't help you go thru corners any faster. |
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03-31-2012, 01:44 AM | #653 | |
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My statment wasn't comparing the 1LE to a stock 2012 SS, it's comparing it to a used SS with more bang for the buck upgrades. This is coming from someone who has been going to the track at least 1 weekend (sometimes 2-3) a month for a year and a half. I have done some modest mods and have been contimplating on how far I want to take my car. It would have been nice to start over with something farther along then what GM came out with. I'm pretty sure I coudn't even take the 1LE out on the track until a flushed the DOT3 brake Fluid out with something with a decent high boiling point. Never really compared the 1LE to the SSX but which one do you think fits the description of "Track Pack". But if your telling me there might still be a chance that the SSX concept still might make some kind of appearance because it isn't connected to the 1LE...I'm all ears. Here in the great state of AZ where many a Camaro's have been sold, I can count on 1 hand the # of other Camaro's I have seen in NASA,SCCA or ASA for the last 1.5 yrs. I'm the only one. So I figured perhaps I'm the niche market they are targetting. Take aim.....oooh way wide left. Try again. I actually hope some folks do buy it and take to the track, would be good to see some folks out here sharing the fun.
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If I had signifcant modding plans, i would buy a 2 or 3 year old used model first that took the initial depreciation hit, save even more money, and then mod to my hearts content.
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But now that you mention it, owning my Z06 has significantly changed my view of modding cars, especially new cars. I used to mod brand new cars, but when I got into my Z06 a few years ago I quickly realized that, straight from the factory, the capabilities of the car exceeded my skill and experience. To me, there was no point really modding the car until I could get all the performance out of it as is, straight line, through the curves wherever. That isn't to say down the road I won't mod my Z06, but only after I feel comfortable that I can't get much more out of her on my own. These days I also just like seeing what the factory options can do. I guess is a bit off topic regarding the 1LE, what I am trying to say is that I believe the 1LE option is worth the money being asked for the most part.
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I was just saying that for me, and it's only my personal feeling on this, that I tend to usually see GM as offering high value for your money and with the price I am thinking this is going to cost I see it on the expensive side. Others may not and that's fine. It's also possible that as I know more about it that I will completely change my mind. It's very possible that at first glance I missed something. I know it would cost a lot of money in parts to do stuff like this yourself, but I see it as with modding you already bought a set of parts that came on the car and then you are buying another set of parts. You still have the originals. Getting stuff like this from the factory you should be able to subtract the value of the parts that would have come on the car and add to that price. I believe GM would still be very profitable. But like I said, this is just my take on it. It all depends on how much track racing you do. If you do a lot of track racing, then the times this package is claiming may be worth every penny and more. This is just cbass's perspective and nothing more. |
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