Isnt the camaro performance being false advertised? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Rocky918 · 10-31-2009, 08:18 PM

Probably over 8 months ago, I would all the reviews on the camaro and read what Al Oppenheiser would say about the car... and it was advertised that the SS will pull a 0-60 of 4.6 seconds and a 1/4 mile at 13.1 seconds (for the automatic) ... and similar for the manual...

now that many average folk have the SS, the numbers just dont match up... the average person with an SS (including me) is getting a 0-60 time between 5 seconds and 5.5 seconds... and a quarter mile on the high-end 13s...

also, many people who have got their car dynoed are reporting RWHP of only aroudn 360-375 ... not even close to 400 or 426....

im no genius, but that seems like false advertising to me, and thats defiantly a disapointment

Rcfiddy1 · 10-31-2009, 08:22 PM

I think the hp numbers were crank not rwhp. As far as 0-60 times, I think if your running on a controlled track your times will be lower then street numbers. Mag reports are always higher then real life numbers, goes for any car.

Rocky918 · 10-31-2009, 08:24 PM

i assumed they would be less as they test the cars under 100% optimum conditions.. but if optimum is 4.6 seconds for my l99, i would hope to get atleast a constant 5 seconds or so.... in reality ive been getting an average of like 5.4 seconds... my best is 5.17 that i got once

1320junkie · 10-31-2009, 08:25 PM

the HP rating is not at the rear wheels the advertised is at the crank..and have you timed your car in controlled conditions and was it set for optimum performance? also there is more to it than just pressing the peddle..not trying to be rude at all so please dont take it that way.

speedster · 10-31-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky918

Probably over 8 months ago, I would all the reviews on the camaro and read what Al Oppenheiser would say about the car... and it was advertised that the SS will pull a 0-60 of 4.6 seconds and a 1/4 mile at 13.1 seconds (for the automatic) ... and similar for the manual...

now that many average folk have the SS, the numbers just dont match up... the average person with an SS (including me) is getting a 0-60 time between 5 seconds and 5.5 seconds... and a quarter mile on the high-end 13s...

also, many people who have got their car dynoed are reporting RWHP of only aroudn 360-375 ... not even close to 400 or 426....

im no genius, but that seems like false advertising to me, and thats defiantly a disapointment

Many are getting faster:
1. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
2. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3,M6)
3. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -433)
4. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
6. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
7. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
8. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
9. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
10. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
11. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
12. AntiVnm - 13.30 @ 106. 12 mph (L99, A6)
13. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
14. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
15. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
16. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
17. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
18. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)
19. d69chris - 13.56 @ 104. 07 mph (L99, A6)
20. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph, (L99,A6)

Plus 360-375 RWHP = 421 - 439 Flywheel HP with the average 17% drivetrain loss

Seems about right...

ZNOLMT · 10-31-2009, 08:53 PM

The HP Ratings that new cars get from the factory is ALWAYS at at the crank. They measure the HP of the Engine, not the HP at the wheels.

CamaroScotty · 10-31-2009, 10:04 PM

Yes, the true crank HP is higher than what's publicized

Windy City · 10-31-2009, 10:06 PM

DOH!

joelster · 10-31-2009, 10:13 PM

You should probably read up on the proper break-in procedures for a motor. It will make a huge difference in the performance of your car. Read it here:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39955

Then after it is properly broken in, take it to the track a few times and get GOOD at launching your car. Take time to learn how to shift very fast and you'll be nipping at 12's with some good air.

Rocky918 · 10-31-2009, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelster

You should probably read up on the proper break-in procedures for a motor. It will make a huge difference in the performance of your car. Read it here:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39955

Then after it is properly broken in, take it to the track a few times and get GOOD at launching your car. Take time to learn how to shift very fast and you'll be nipping at 12's with some good air.

i followed that procedure at about 400 miles, because i didnt see it until i had 400 on it already.... so it should still be ok....

and what is the advertised RWHP that we should be getting on an A6 and M6 SS?

and i want to bring my car to a professional tuner to increase my time, but ive been told that will void my warrenty :(

MyNewSolstice · 10-31-2009, 10:43 PM

Here is where you went wrong OP you are average...no offense but the numbers are from "not " average people...you will be slower...That said practice is a good thing and learning your car will improve times...I can actually pull a sub claimed time in my solstice now and it is all due to just knowing sweet shift points!

1320junkie · 10-31-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky918

i followed that procedure at about 400 miles, because i didnt see it until i had 400 on it already.... so it should still be ok....

and what is the advertised RWHP that we should be getting on an A6 and M6 SS?

and i want to bring my car to a professional tuner to increase my time, but ive been told that will void my warrenty :(

How do you launch your car? How much gas is in the tank, air pressure etc...how are you timing?

SlingShot · 10-31-2009, 11:40 PM

Don't forget the weather in our area isn't optimal either ..... It's still in the 90's with 85% humidity ......Wait until late January and February before making judgments ....

Rocky918 · 11-01-2009, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

How do you launch your car? How much gas is in the tank, air pressure etc...how are you timing?

your gonna laugh... but i video record my speedometer going up... then replay the video with a stop watch... i have also had someone in the passenger seat stop watch record it live... i had the same result as going back to the video...

and i do it with 1/4 tank or less... and how do i launch? umm from dead stop, i let it roll a few inches first (usually they test it with 1 foot of roll out) and then i just floor it in S mode ... my best time was with traction control OFF

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Don't forget the weather in our area isn't optimal either ..... It's still in the 90's with 85% humidity ......Wait until late January and February before making judgments ....

yea thats what i figured, the humidity here is still in teh 70+ range which is probably taking off .3 to .5 seconds i would guess

10-31-2009, 08:18 PM	#1
Rocky918 Drives: SS for Super Sexy! Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 746	Isnt the camaro performance being false advertised? Probably over 8 months ago, I would all the reviews on the camaro and read what Al Oppenheiser would say about the car... and it was advertised that the SS will pull a 0-60 of 4.6 seconds and a 1/4 mile at 13.1 seconds (for the automatic) ... and similar for the manual... now that many average folk have the SS, the numbers just dont match up... the average person with an SS (including me) is getting a 0-60 time between 5 seconds and 5.5 seconds... and a quarter mile on the high-end 13s... also, many people who have got their car dynoed are reporting RWHP of only aroudn 360-375 ... not even close to 400 or 426.... im no genius, but that seems like false advertising to me, and thats defiantly a disapointment __________________ - Life is to short to let it pass you by

10-31-2009, 08:24 PM	#3
Rocky918 Drives: SS for Super Sexy! Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 746	i assumed they would be less as they test the cars under 100% optimum conditions.. but if optimum is 4.6 seconds for my l99, i would hope to get atleast a constant 5 seconds or so.... in reality ive been getting an average of like 5.4 seconds... my best is 5.17 that i got once __________________ - Life is to short to let it pass you by

10-31-2009, 10:06 PM	#8
Windy City Drives: Not enough room here! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 1,017	DOH! __________________ BEWARE OF THE LPE BROTHERHOOD! Remember: You can sleep in your car, but you can't drive your house!

10-31-2009, 10:43 PM	#11
MyNewSolstice Drives: 06 Solstice Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 349 View My Garage	Here is where you went wrong OP you are average...no offense but the numbers are from "not " average people...you will be slower...That said practice is a good thing and learning your car will improve times...I can actually pull a sub claimed time in my solstice now and it is all due to just knowing sweet shift points! __________________ 2006 Solstice Z0K 1978 Camaro Z28 1978 Corvette 350/220HP SOON TO BE LS2

10-31-2009, 11:40 PM	#13
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	Don't forget the weather in our area isn't optimal either ..... It's still in the 90's with 85% humidity ......Wait until late January and February before making judgments .... __________________

10-31-2009, 08:22 PM	#2
Rcfiddy1 Sold car... Drives: 2010 Rally Yellow 2SS/RS #37115 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Manalapan, New Jersey Posts: 2,019 View My Garage	I think the hp numbers were crank not rwhp. As far as 0-60 times, I think if your running on a controlled track your times will be lower then street numbers. Mag reports are always higher then real life numbers, goes for any car.

10-31-2009, 08:25 PM	#4
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	the HP rating is not at the rear wheels the advertised is at the crank..and have you timed your car in controlled conditions and was it set for optimum performance? also there is more to it than just pressing the peddle..not trying to be rude at all so please dont take it that way.

10-31-2009, 08:53 PM	#6
ZNOLMT Drives: Rally Yellow 2LT Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 469	The HP Ratings that new cars get from the factory is ALWAYS at at the crank. They measure the HP of the Engine, not the HP at the wheels.

10-31-2009, 10:04 PM	#7
CamaroScotty Account Suspended Drives: Your new SLP Camaro! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cedarburg, WI Posts: 6,801	Yes, the true crank HP is higher than what's publicized

10-31-2009, 10:13 PM	#9
joelster Drives: '94 Z28+ '15 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 1,282	You should probably read up on the proper break-in procedures for a motor. It will make a huge difference in the performance of your car. Read it here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39955 Then after it is properly broken in, take it to the track a few times and get GOOD at launching your car. Take time to learn how to shift very fast and you'll be nipping at 12's with some good air.

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