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Justin · 01-12-2009, 09:41 AM

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ate-this-year/

Toyota plans to introduce their plug-in hybrid a year ahead of the Volt. It won't be a full-fledged release like the Volt's will, but it's still kinda sucky.

Edit: Although we all know what happened last time Toyota rushed *cough* Tundra *cough*, and that would be a major dent in their reputation, so this might not be such a bad thing after all.

*GTAHVIT* · 01-12-2009, 09:47 AM

Hmmmm, We'll see. I'd hate to see them get to the market first. But it still doesn't compare to the volt.... Interesting....

Kyle2k · 01-12-2009, 12:27 PM

They also said they only plan to produce 250 for the US, that isn't even note-worthy, There are more Veyrons in the US than that ffs.

TheClassicCarKid · 01-12-2009, 12:37 PM

They're only sending 150 of these vehicles the the U.S.
The Volt'll be a full production car that anyone can buy.

*radz28* · 01-12-2009, 12:43 PM

Grr... Veyron... Sorry - back on topic

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-12-2009, 12:48 PM

If this is the one they were talking about earlier last year...it gets like 7 miles on a charge. This thing is crap. The Volt is by far superior, but I admit; Company 'T' will have a slight edge in that even though they aren't full-market cars, they got here first.

...But they're still crap. Can't hold a candle to the Volt, imo.

FenwickHockey65 · 01-12-2009, 01:47 PM

Ha, what, you mean the plug-in prius? The 2010 model? That looks like this piece of sh*t?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Keep it up toyota! Self-destruction is hilarious when toyota's the one doing it!

Ooo...what's that? Aww, you still use gas in your prius? We don't in our Volt!

Justin · 01-12-2009, 03:28 PM

You forgot the part where our Volt doesn't look like a shoebox on wheels.

I'm not that particularly worried about it, but I'd still rather not see the bastards have ANY bragging rights, and despite what they say, we know exactly why they're doing it, and that's to beat GM to the punch, which I guess is the purpose of business, but it being their right doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

zebra · 01-12-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Ha, what, you mean the plug-in prius? The 2010 model? That looks like this piece of sh*t?

looks like the same ugly POS they've had for years

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

...Ooo...what's that? Aww, you still use gas in your prius? We don't in our Volt!

actually... we do. it just uses gas to power the generator that recharges the electric cells.

Eighty-Six Z · 01-12-2009, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

If this is the one they were talking about earlier last year...it gets like 7 miles on a charge. This thing is crap. The Volt is by far superior, but I admit; Company 'T' will have a slight edge in that even though they aren't full-market cars, they got here first.

...But they're still crap. Can't hold a candle to the Volt, imo.

7 Miles a charge! Wow, why even bother. I don't fully understand why they would go to such lengths just to say they are "first" when the quality or the quantity is not there. The reason why you would want to be first in any market is so that you can get a head start on the market, not throw a 150 units out there. All that will do is create a backlash of potential buyers that will go buy something else because you only made a 150. Really, they are helping out GM in the fact they will be turning people away. Those people will probably buy a Volt!

FenwickHockey65 · 01-12-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebra

actually... we do. it just uses gas to power the generator that recharges the electric cells.

For the vast majority of American commuters, Volts won't have to use gas for weeks, perhaps months on end.

GatorBlue371 · 01-12-2009, 11:41 PM

Watching Conan, he talked about Toyota's new car.. and said GM's runs on Panda blood and rainforest trees.... hmm. Something tells me GM should get this car out to market fast.

zebra · 01-13-2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Watching Conan, he talked about Toyota's new car.. and said GM's runs on Panda blood and rainforest trees.... hmm. Something tells me GM should get this car out to market fast.

or just send a couple

after Conan

his little Walker, Texas Ranger lever won't save him from fbodfather's 2x4!

Oracle · 01-13-2009, 10:51 AM

Here is the difference between the D3 and the japanese automakers. Detroit builds Fuel cell vehicles and calls them prototypes, because that is what they are to the engineers. then they give those vehicles to the public to test in real world conditions. Honda on the other hand builds fuel cell vehicles and sells them at a large markup to the public calling it a production model, but then follows the cars around with a pen and paper doing all kinds of real world test conditions. really its the same thing except for the marketing aspect and that people are paying to be an experiment. Now, this sounds somewhat familiar. Toyota is putting together a few plug in "production" prototypes, and selling them on market so they can follow those buyers around with a pen and paper. I'm not really a fan of paying to play lab mouse. i really favor GMs stratagy and they will be the first real "production plug-ins". congrats.

01-12-2009, 09:41 AM	#1
Justin Camaro5's Cell Phone Geek Drives: '02 V6 Camaro. 5 speed manual. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 407	This is not good. http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ate-this-year/ Toyota plans to introduce their plug-in hybrid a year ahead of the Volt. It won't be a full-fledged release like the Volt's will, but it's still kinda sucky. Edit: Although we all know what happened last time Toyota rushed cough Tundra cough, and that would be a major dent in their reputation, so this might not be such a bad thing after all.

01-12-2009, 09:47 AM	#2
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Hmmmm, We'll see. I'd hate to see them get to the market first. But it still doesn't compare to the volt.... Interesting.... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

01-12-2009, 12:27 PM	#3
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01-12-2009, 12:48 PM	#6
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	If this is the one they were talking about earlier last year...it gets like 7 miles on a charge. This thing is crap. The Volt is by far superior, but I admit; Company 'T' will have a slight edge in that even though they aren't full-market cars, they got here first. ...But they're still crap. Can't hold a candle to the Volt, imo. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-12-2009, 01:47 PM	#7
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Ha, what, you mean the plug-in prius? The 2010 model? That looks like this piece of sh*t? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Keep it up toyota! Self-destruction is hilarious when toyota's the one doing it! Ooo...what's that? Aww, you still use gas in your prius? We don't in our Volt! __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

01-12-2009, 03:28 PM	#8
Justin Camaro5's Cell Phone Geek Drives: '02 V6 Camaro. 5 speed manual. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 407	You forgot the part where our Volt doesn't look like a shoebox on wheels. I'm not that particularly worried about it, but I'd still rather not see the bastards have ANY bragging rights, and despite what they say, we know exactly why they're doing it, and that's to beat GM to the punch, which I guess is the purpose of business, but it being their right doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

01-12-2009, 11:41 PM	#12
GatorBlue371 Drives: vrooooom vrooooom Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,375	Watching Conan, he talked about Toyota's new car.. and said GM's runs on Panda blood and rainforest trees.... hmm. Something tells me GM should get this car out to market fast. __________________ "With a light touch on the brakes, run the revs up a bit. Slip off the brake and bury the throttle. There's a light chirp as tires scratch for bite. Then comes a sub-5.0-second sled ride to 60 mph. A tick over 13.0 sec. and you're through the quarter-mile. It's a rush, of course, but not overly dramatic. Try the same thing with this pair's predecessors of 1970 or so and you'll find yourself in a bit of a wrestling match. Ain't progress wonderful? Maybe yes, and maybe sometimes it's fun to wrestle."

01-13-2009, 10:51 AM	#14
Oracle Drives: Ford Focus Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 71	Here is the difference between the D3 and the japanese automakers. Detroit builds Fuel cell vehicles and calls them prototypes, because that is what they are to the engineers. then they give those vehicles to the public to test in real world conditions. Honda on the other hand builds fuel cell vehicles and sells them at a large markup to the public calling it a production model, but then follows the cars around with a pen and paper doing all kinds of real world test conditions. really its the same thing except for the marketing aspect and that people are paying to be an experiment. Now, this sounds somewhat familiar. Toyota is putting together a few plug in "production" prototypes, and selling them on market so they can follow those buyers around with a pen and paper. I'm not really a fan of paying to play lab mouse. i really favor GMs stratagy and they will be the first real "production plug-ins". congrats.

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