Z/28 will be $69,000 (rumor)

[Bad@ssCamaro]

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[Boris632]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Boris, if the LS3 and LS7 share so much commonality, how come so few Part #'s are shared?

Have you even seen an block being made? Not talking a finished block with a hone going through it but actually cast?

Then they are machined and the programs have already been engineered so it is a matter of making the raw head/block finished for assembly.

At this point we have reached what would be the two most expensive pieces of the engine. And to my original point - is the cost that much different?

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

And if the LS7 was such a hot-ticket engine for high-boost applications, why wasn't the LS9 a 427?? How do you "discourage" that? Hypereutectic pistons...

BTW, all those trick combos you name as more worthy than the "ZL1 427": What's THEIR warranty?

Now this part you totally pulled out of your ass.

Originally Posted by Boris632

25k buys you a lot of engine - single/twin turbo/supercharged bbc/sbc making 1000-1500+hp. Or 18/15* headed N/A motors etc. All would need a really well built car to handle.

To have that 427 - you are either mad at your money or not really interested in going fast.

Not my cup of tea - sorry

I highlighted it in case you missed it. BBC = Big Block Chevy and SBC = Small Block Chevy. Neither are an LS7 that you somehow implied I said was great for boosting.

The LS7 is the worst engine you an add FI to. But once again you are twisting my words just to be an ass.

As for the trick engines it depends on use and builder. I have seen up to 3 years for street car engines.

Not cheap but not 25k either.

As for your ROI - don't you think the LS7 makes a pretty good ROI? This is what I am getting at. If the engine made the same or less than the LS3 in terms of margin - they wouldn't make it. No way would they want to deal with the CAFE crap.

And finally (as Im done with this thread after this post) this car exists to fill the high end void the Z06/ZR1 filled. Those cars were huge profit centers that are no more. At least for now. So why not make a top of the line Camaro to appease the fans and still generate those big dollar sales?

It is this reasoning that I believe that things like the engine and the brake system are very sweet - but not that expensive to GM.

So yes they will turn a nice profit on this car. And it probably will be 70k from a dealer. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have built and sold it for 50k.

Have fun

[guapo]

Originally Posted by midnighter

That's a bargain.

Not too be mean, but what are you smoking...WAY to high for most customers...

[90503]

I dunno Boris...Every mod that adds truly adds horsepower (just look at the aftermarket stuff) is gonna be expensive...

Even if it costs them the same as any other engine to build, the horsepower and image alone will command a higher price....If you don't pay it, you won't have it...could be the most expensive "factor" in it....Higher cost to build, which I'm sure it is, will have a higher mark-up in and of itself in all areas...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by guapo

Not too be mean, but what are you smoking...WAY to high for most customers...

But consider it's not meant for "most" customers....if they sell 1000 I'd be surprised.

For the equipment you get on the car - I tend to agree it's a bargain.

[14pilot]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

But consider it's not meant for "most" customers....if they sell 1000 I'd be surprised.

For the equipment you get on the car - I tend to agree it's a bargain.

This is correct. It will be less than 1,000 units built. 398 less...

Try 602 Z/28 units built for 2014, if you understand the significance of that number. Same reasoning behind why GM built 69 units of the 2012 COPO Camaro.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Dang it! why does everybody keep forgetting to shut off the light after they leave? **click**

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[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Dang it! why does everybody keep forgetting to shut off the light after they leave? **click**

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by 14pilot

This is correct. It will be less than 1,000 units built. 398 less...

Try 602 Z/28 units built for 2014, if you understand the significance of that number. Same reasoning behind why GM built 69 units of the 2012 COPO Camaro.

Wait what? First of all, that 602 number refers to 1967, NOT 1969 which is the year they're using for EVERYTHING in relation to the 5th gen. Did they have the ZL-1 in '67? Lol GM already stated they'd sell as many as ordered. Therefore there is NO fixed production number.


1969 Z/28 production: 20,302! You really need to read more info. Ill help you out.


http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...camaro-z28.htm

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

[TOBY J]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

like ive said, this car is in a class of its own. so you have to compare it to cars of the same purpose. track purpose cars...areil atom... hands down. 30k. light. track purpose and daily driver. best car. other than that...z06. still get radio, nav.... this is why gm will have a hard time selling this to anyone other than a true camaro enthusiast. there is no market for a 70k camaro that has no radio and is intended for the track. most people have dedicated track cars that are in this catagory. in a catagory close to this would be cars like the M3, S5, boss 302, gtr, z06. higher scale.... cayman R, mercedes black series, even the new viper... i know viper has had track cars in the past, but those are TRUE track cars with roll cages ready to race. this camaro is not that serious. but you could compare it to a viper of that caliber


people looking for a NEW track purpose 2nd or 3rd car, are few nad far between. anyone serious about track days has a car for that and isnt planning on spending 70K for it. people looking for a 2nd or 3rd car for a "toy" will more than likely be looking in the used car market. and in that field, you open up all other types of competition. for 70 or 80K like you said, id be looking for a panamera turbo so me and 3 of my friends can all enjoy the laps . but seriously, there will be alot of other used options for this purpose that will fulfill anyones track day urge and save them money. all a track day car needs to really be quick is the right set of wheels and tires, and brakes. obviously thats what they did with the camaro.

even a used PANAMERA TURBO 2010 will run ya 90-95k
however that car is AMAZING!!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by TOBY J

even a used PANAMERA TURBO 2010 will run ya 90-95k
however that car is AMAZING!!

Amazingly ugly!

[TOBY J]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Amazingly ugly!

PANAMERA TURBO:
car owns the road... have you ever seen one in person??
love the camaro but it blows it away in WOW factor
respect any 4 door(4800 LBS) car that will hang neck and neck with ZR1 out of the hole to 60.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&g...uPDoTVigLOlYB4

amazingly ugly = GTR