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camarogreg@evs · 01-09-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintTimothy

Greg - so if my dealer was allocated 10, and I was order #2 (for a 2LT) and #1 was an SS - would I be looking for that first V6 that the dealer is getting in April/May? Or is that 1st car just going to go on the dealer's lot?

All dealers are getting a 2LT first. There was to be a promotion called Chevrolet Open House april 1st-May 15th. All dealers were to have a Camaro for this. That has been pushed back and now the Camaro is to arrive late April/early May. This is an extra Camaro and does not go against the dealers allocation. If you are #2 and a V6 and #1 is a V8 you may get your car first. Also, the first 2LT will be for sale, maybe not like you want it though. You are in GREAT shape for an early Camaro.

camarorick · 01-09-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

In the end this ALL has to do with one acronym.

C.A.F.E.

V8 Models hurt the bottom line in CAFE regulations. They simply CANNOT build the cars because we want them... they are FORCED to meet this silly standard or else pay out the nose for not meeting it.

GM are a bunch of douchebags for the way they have treated us loyal customers. They should have warned that these things would happen because of CAFE, and they should have done some other things differently with this "preorder" deal and the ABL and HUD fiascos, and they deserve all the ire you guys can give them. But just remember the reason you didn't get an SS isn't by GM's CHOICE... they are forced to focus on V6 models because of CAFE. Nothing else.

Just curious, but does CAFE apply to Canadians as well ?

Mr_Draco · 01-09-2009, 02:36 PM

GM has said that they are prepared to build the V8's up to 50% of the total allocation given in the 1st 6 months. The total allocation given out was over 20,000 so that means they can produce 10,000 V8's within the 1st 6 months. If the total number of preordered V8's stay under this amount, they will be delivered before the end of the allocation. So far only 11,000 preorders have been submitted. At a 80/20 split that's 8,800 V8's, 1,200 less then what they can build before then.

Knowing this, I feel confident that if you preordered your SS, you will get it before Oct. May not be within the 1st couple months but it will arrive before Oct.

trm0002 · 01-09-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smhss

I would love to have an explanation of why V8's will be (ahem) "constrained". Where are the engines built? Stands to reason that there would be excess capacity right now in any GM engine factory, especially one building V8 mills. This is unbelievably aggravating and yes, disappointing. I was ready to see them (GM) walk up to the plate and knock one out of the park. Instead, we get monolithic, bureaucratic ARROGANT excrement. The fact that they have KNOWN about the percentage of V8's on order and have apparently decided to say "**** it" really, REALLY makes me wonder.

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

First of all, realize that if this were normal circumstances; we would not be involved in this right now. And none of us would ever know the difference, because pre-ordering would have started...sometime now.

With that -- don't panic regarding the whole V8 vs V6 thing. Not yet. Last time this topic came up there was so much misinformation and misinterpretation it was dangerous. It's not like they're cancelling the car, just hang in there -- I'm sure we'll get a good reason for it in time.

**Realizing this isn't the end of the world...Keeping the faith...waiting patiently.**

I may have some insight on the reason (OshawaInsider PLEASE CHIME IN). Imagine two chassis lines running through the plant in Oshawa, one V6/ one V8. There has to be separate production lines because the chassis are not the same. Are they just supposed to shut down the V6 line to run more V8's? Shutting down the V6 line doesn't make any more V8's; it just makes less V6's... The only way to make more of one or the other is to have a third line you can switch to either...

*GTAHVIT* · 01-09-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

GM has said that they are prepared to build the V8's up to 50% of the total allocation given in the 1st 6 months. The total allocation given out was over 20,000 so that means they can produce 10,000 V8's within the 1st 6 months. If the total number of preordered V8's stay under this amount, they will be delivered before the end of the allocation. So far only 11,000 preorders have been submitted. At a 80/20 split that's 8,800 V8's, 1,200 less then what they can build before then.

Knowing this, I feel confident that if you preordered your SS, you will get it before Oct. May not be within the 1st couple months but it will arrive before Oct.

Can you provide a source for this. I think it would be very valuable to this thread???

ZYAL8R · 01-09-2009, 02:39 PM

I guess I could use some more time to build my new Camaro garage before she gets here.

:drin king:

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-09-2009, 02:40 PM

The push-back of production was a quality-related move. From a familiar source: They want to ensure that "this is the highest-quality launch they've ever done." It has nothing to do with the loans, or any one specific problem. Don't be so quick to think that they don't know what they're doing.

I have nothing more for you on the V8 v V6 issue besides what the dealers can provide. I will ask that before y'all get upset -- wait for the dust to settle.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 01-09-2009, 02:41 PM

Its a flex line

TomServo · 01-09-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by camarogreg@evs

All dealers are getting a 2LT first. There was to be a promotion called Chevrolet Open House april 1st-May 15th. All dealers were to have a Camaro for this. That has been pushed back and now the Camaro is to arrive late April/early May. This is an extra Camaro and does not go against the dealers allocation. If you are #2 and a V6 and #1 is a V8 you may get your car first. Also, the first 2LT will be for sale, maybe not like you want it though. You are in GREAT shape for an early Camaro.

What happens when a dealer pre-sold 7 of 9 allocations as SS??? How many will get their cars and how many get screwed??

mcernik · 01-09-2009, 02:41 PM

Yeah the problem is what good is a Camaro SS in Wisconsin coming in October. I was going to start STORING it in October. If my car isn't here by end of June, Early July, I might as well cancel the order. Get one the next year when I don't have to pay MSRP to get it.

I think the assumption of everyone here was - they can make about 3500 cars a month, there are 10000 preorders so everyone should have theirs getting shipped out buy they end of May ish, receiving their babies by June at the latest. Pushing it back a month wouldn't have been the end of the world. Making cars that are just going to sit on a dealers lot vs. making SOLD orders is just BS.

kevin2323 · 01-09-2009, 02:42 PM

wow seriously alot of you are overreacting....the challengers had the same problem with timing ect....just get over it....things get delayed...and be happy it is only a month. geez cmon you will get over it once you see it in your driveways and realize that it was worth the extra wait.

Captain Awesome · 01-09-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The push-back of production was a quality-related move. They want to ensure that "this is the highest-quality launch they've ever done." It has nothing to do with the loans, or CAFE. Don't be so quick to think that they don't know what they're doing.

I have nothing more for you on the V8 v V6 issue besides what the dealers can provide. I will ask that before y'all get upset -- wait for the dust to settle.

I was talking about CAFE "constraining" 30% of the V8 pre-orders. Don't confuse people with blanket statements like the one above. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. CAFE is the reason.

TJ91 · 01-09-2009, 02:43 PM

My dealer told me the date was pushed back in December, posted it and got flamed on, went back and got the email that stated it, anyways thats history, anyone know what really is the source of the delay?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-09-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I was talking about CAFE "constraining" 30% of the V8 pre-orders. Don't confuse people with blanket statements like the one above. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. CAFE is the reason.

I thought I was clear. Sorry -- I'll edit.

01-09-2009, 02:39 PM	#272
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01-09-2009, 02:40 PM	#273
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	The push-back of production was a quality-related move. From a familiar source: They want to ensure that "this is the highest-quality launch they've ever done." It has nothing to do with the loans, or any one specific problem. Don't be so quick to think that they don't know what they're doing. I have nothing more for you on the V8 v V6 issue besides what the dealers can provide. I will ask that before y'all get upset -- wait for the dust to settle. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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01-09-2009, 02:36 PM	#269
Mr_Draco Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 7,182	GM has said that they are prepared to build the V8's up to 50% of the total allocation given in the 1st 6 months. The total allocation given out was over 20,000 so that means they can produce 10,000 V8's within the 1st 6 months. If the total number of preordered V8's stay under this amount, they will be delivered before the end of the allocation. So far only 11,000 preorders have been submitted. At a 80/20 split that's 8,800 V8's, 1,200 less then what they can build before then. Knowing this, I feel confident that if you preordered your SS, you will get it before Oct. May not be within the 1st couple months but it will arrive before Oct.

01-09-2009, 02:41 PM	#274
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	Its a flex line

01-09-2009, 02:41 PM	#276
mcernik Drives: Rally Yellow SS/RS VIN # 3931 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richfield, Wisconsin Posts: 151	Yeah the problem is what good is a Camaro SS in Wisconsin coming in October. I was going to start STORING it in October. If my car isn't here by end of June, Early July, I might as well cancel the order. Get one the next year when I don't have to pay MSRP to get it. I think the assumption of everyone here was - they can make about 3500 cars a month, there are 10000 preorders so everyone should have theirs getting shipped out buy they end of May ish, receiving their babies by June at the latest. Pushing it back a month wouldn't have been the end of the world. Making cars that are just going to sit on a dealers lot vs. making SOLD orders is just BS.

01-09-2009, 02:42 PM	#277
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,338	wow seriously alot of you are overreacting....the challengers had the same problem with timing ect....just get over it....things get delayed...and be happy it is only a month. geez cmon you will get over it once you see it in your driveways and realize that it was worth the extra wait.

01-09-2009, 02:43 PM	#279
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 13,033	My dealer told me the date was pushed back in December, posted it and got flamed on, went back and got the email that stated it, anyways thats history, anyone know what really is the source of the delay?