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TainoWarrior316 · 11-04-2008, 11:24 PM

I think the Ls3 is underrated at 422 HP and the 1/4 mile times is totally bogus. GM has everyone fooled wait till the Camaro hits the track its gonna rape so much. Go with the Manual because you will enjoy the car more and that is whats its all about. Its not all about numbers on paper Its what you ultimately get out of your Camaro.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-04-2008, 11:26 PM

very old numbers quoted. It's been MUCH improved since then.

MrKrisSullivan · 11-04-2008, 11:36 PM

uhhh ohhh... a guy over at the challenger forums ran his bone stock '09 R/T at 13.1 in the quarter-mile.. auto... ouch... It seems that the Challenger is also lighter than stated, i've seen a couple guy's state that they weighed there car with them in it and it weighed 4100lbs... so seems the challenger is closer to 3900lbs and the dyno's have been saying 390hp at the crank... eww 4.9 is good still not insane though but good 13.4 though is average.... it seems in these new muscle car wars...

UCF w00t · 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM

I'm torn on this as well. I had pretty much decided on the stick but now I'm doubting. I've never owned a stick (know how to drive one but not much) and concerned with getting sick of having to shift all the time. But, the times I've driven a stick, I've always enjoyed it. It'll be my daily driver so I'm trying to figure out if I want to live with the "burden" (if it can be called that) of a stick vs. the added fun it provides. With the auto having paddles, it could be somewhat of a compromise.

Supermans · 11-05-2008, 04:07 AM

What is the difference in feel between the hurst short throw shifter and the stock one other than the ball, shorter lengh shifts and it being slightly taller? Which one is more fun to drive and why?

*GTAHVIT* · 11-05-2008, 06:52 AM

^
Short throw shifters tend to kinda "Click" into gear instead of "move" from one gear to the next. It's a very positive detent for lack of a better way to describe it. You have to pull on the shifter a little harder than the stock one but there is no doubt when you feel it go into gear.

Some people don't like short throw shifters because they don't feel very "refined" They feel like there is tension on the shifter then it just pops into gear with little actual movement.

It's kinda hard to describe. I love the feel of the short throw. But most other people who don't understand the reason behind having one don't usually like them.

my 2 cents

attymf · 11-05-2008, 08:53 AM

I have owned both. In fact, my first Z28 had a Hurst Short Throw. I like the short throw because you can pound gears faster. I think I'd like it even more with the 6 speed so rowing through all the gears is easier. My first car was a 4 spd stick.

I was absolutely faster with the short throw over the regular.

PsyDoc · 11-05-2008, 10:43 AM

If you are going to be in a lot of stop and go traffic, then some people might see that as a negative. I've had both types of transmissions in performance and nonperformance cars alike. With a performance car, for me, there is no question...manual...period.

Joker57676 · 11-05-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsyDoc

If you are going to be in a lot of stop and go traffic, then some people might see that as a negative. I've had both types of transmissions in performance and nonperformance cars alike. With a performance car, for me, there is no question...manual...period.

+1 My first car was an auto, since then it's been all manual. I don't think I'll ever go back to an auto unless it's a truck or an SUV.

Mark

AutoXCamaro · 11-05-2008, 09:17 PM

All of my vehicles have been manual and I am going to continue to purchase manual transmissions. This may have something to do with my personality of being a control freak. But I am also a proponent of having the most interaction with the vehicle while driving. This is achieved in a manual transmission. I enjoy autocross in my manual transmission civic and I also have been through police driving courses while attending the academy with an automatic crown vic. Being able to select the gears and keep the engine in the sweet spot is the best feeling.

The only thing fun about driving the automatic crown vic is when you get to turn on the lights and sirens. You automatically think you can do a serpentine 10 mph faster.

Before I get off my soap box, I would like to reiterate what others have been saying. If you sit in traffic to and from work everyday, you might want the automatic. But if you drive manual enough in traffic you can avoid pushing down the clutch every two seconds with some tricks.

BeermanSS · 11-05-2008, 09:54 PM

Don't forget, you can control this auto.

*DGthe3* · 11-05-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeermanSS

Don't forget, you can control this auto.

and it won't interfere.

Manuals are more fun unless you are in a lot of stop and go traffic. We don't really know anything about what sort of performance improvements are available for the L99 vs LS3 but there shouldn't be much of a difference.

BeermanSS · 11-05-2008, 10:31 PM

yeah thats the best part about this auto. You can drive it instead of being driven by it. look into escalade aftermarket parts. same engine as the 08's.

NAHURRY · 11-06-2008, 06:00 AM

Gotta be a stick for me

11-04-2008, 11:24 PM	#15
TainoWarrior316 Drives: 2000 Silverado 4.8 V8 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 71	I think the Ls3 is underrated at 422 HP and the 1/4 mile times is totally bogus. GM has everyone fooled wait till the Camaro hits the track its gonna rape so much. Go with the Manual because you will enjoy the car more and that is whats its all about. Its not all about numbers on paper Its what you ultimately get out of your Camaro. __________________ Automotive press asked Chevrolet product managers, "What is a Camaro?" and were told it was "a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs."

11-04-2008, 11:26 PM	#16
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	very old numbers quoted. It's been MUCH improved since then. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

11-05-2008, 04:07 AM	#19
Supermans Camaro & Stang Enthusiast Drives: 2011 Mustang 5.0 in Kona Blue Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,752 View My Garage	What is the difference in feel between the hurst short throw shifter and the stock one other than the ball, shorter lengh shifts and it being slightly taller? Which one is more fun to drive and why? __________________ Bought my Camaro from Eric Hall(817) 421-7266 Last edited by Supermans; 11-05-2008 at 06:22 AM.

11-05-2008, 06:52 AM	#20
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	^ Short throw shifters tend to kinda "Click" into gear instead of "move" from one gear to the next. It's a very positive detent for lack of a better way to describe it. You have to pull on the shifter a little harder than the stock one but there is no doubt when you feel it go into gear. Some people don't like short throw shifters because they don't feel very "refined" They feel like there is tension on the shifter then it just pops into gear with little actual movement. It's kinda hard to describe. I love the feel of the short throw. But most other people who don't understand the reason behind having one don't usually like them. my 2 cents __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

11-05-2008, 08:53 AM	#21
attymf Drives: 2017 SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: LI, NY Posts: 755 View My Garage	Short throw v regular shift I have owned both. In fact, my first Z28 had a Hurst Short Throw. I like the short throw because you can pound gears faster. I think I'd like it even more with the 6 speed so rowing through all the gears is easier. My first car was a 4 spd stick. I was absolutely faster with the short throw over the regular.

11-04-2008, 11:36 PM	#17
MrKrisSullivan New 2 The "DARK-SIDE" Drives: 2003 Ram HEMI 4x4 Slt 20in Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Augustine Florida Posts: 89	uhhh ohhh... a guy over at the challenger forums ran his bone stock '09 R/T at 13.1 in the quarter-mile.. auto... ouch... It seems that the Challenger is also lighter than stated, i've seen a couple guy's state that they weighed there car with them in it and it weighed 4100lbs... so seems the challenger is closer to 3900lbs and the dyno's have been saying 390hp at the crank... eww 4.9 is good still not insane though but good 13.4 though is average.... it seems in these new muscle car wars...

11-04-2008, 11:37 PM	#18
UCF w00t Geek Drives: IOM 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orlando Posts: 4,452	I'm torn on this as well. I had pretty much decided on the stick but now I'm doubting. I've never owned a stick (know how to drive one but not much) and concerned with getting sick of having to shift all the time. But, the times I've driven a stick, I've always enjoyed it. It'll be my daily driver so I'm trying to figure out if I want to live with the "burden" (if it can be called that) of a stick vs. the added fun it provides. With the auto having paddles, it could be somewhat of a compromise.

11-05-2008, 10:43 AM	#22
PsyDoc Drives: Soon-to-be 1st Gen Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southeast Posts: 249	If you are going to be in a lot of stop and go traffic, then some people might see that as a negative. I've had both types of transmissions in performance and nonperformance cars alike. With a performance car, for me, there is no question...manual...period.

11-05-2008, 09:17 PM	#24
AutoXCamaro Drives: 03 Honda Civic Ex Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tampa Posts: 10	All of my vehicles have been manual and I am going to continue to purchase manual transmissions. This may have something to do with my personality of being a control freak. But I am also a proponent of having the most interaction with the vehicle while driving. This is achieved in a manual transmission. I enjoy autocross in my manual transmission civic and I also have been through police driving courses while attending the academy with an automatic crown vic. Being able to select the gears and keep the engine in the sweet spot is the best feeling. The only thing fun about driving the automatic crown vic is when you get to turn on the lights and sirens. You automatically think you can do a serpentine 10 mph faster. Before I get off my soap box, I would like to reiterate what others have been saying. If you sit in traffic to and from work everyday, you might want the automatic. But if you drive manual enough in traffic you can avoid pushing down the clutch every two seconds with some tricks.

11-05-2008, 09:54 PM	#25
BeermanSS Drives: 2005 Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wilson, NY Posts: 214	Don't forget, you can control this auto.

11-05-2008, 10:31 PM	#27
BeermanSS Drives: 2005 Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wilson, NY Posts: 214	yeah thats the best part about this auto. You can drive it instead of being driven by it. look into escalade aftermarket parts. same engine as the 08's.

11-06-2008, 06:00 AM	#28
NAHURRY Love's to Detail Drives: 2010 SS,97silverado/08crewcab Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Greenville SC. Posts: 1,421	Gotta be a stick for me

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