01-02-2013, 03:04 PM | #15 |
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A nice marketing opportunity for Chevy would allow us to order a 5th gen LS7 SS coupled to a 1LE package. Heck, they could even call it "Z28." Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to spread premature rumors about the next Camaro package that may or may not share the same package designation as one in each of the previous 4 generations of Camaros. I'll be in line for hot new Z28, or a Z29, ZL2 or an SSS or whatever Chevy calls it. You don't need to use Z28; a new package with great performance can make it's own name great!!
P.S. - Please don't use Berlinetta or Type LT - thank you.
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01-02-2013, 03:24 PM | #16 | ||
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01-02-2013, 03:26 PM | #17 |
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what are they doing something new?
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01-02-2013, 03:30 PM | #18 |
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My question is have the mags tested a new SS? They say the SS is a pig but the suspension has been revised. Maybe would have been a better comparison for the mustang.
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01-02-2013, 03:33 PM | #19 |
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Good point. So far no magazines have felt like the FE4 suspension is enough of an improvement to retest.
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01-02-2013, 03:51 PM | #20 |
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With this test the mustang basically has worse tires, anyone who has autocrossed or above can see where a lot of the 3 seconds came from. Also we're a pig at only 242 lbs. more ? That's less than one of me.
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01-02-2013, 04:13 PM | #21 |
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They got the weight wrong again. The 1LE actually weighs a little more at 3875 per GM.
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01-02-2013, 04:33 PM | #23 |
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Well.... for every 100lbs = 1 tenth on the track... which is huge when comparing competition that is this close. So 242 lbs sure don't seem like much but it makes all the difference in the world on the track, plus factor in the size in the gas tanks.... that in itself is alot more weight.
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01-02-2013, 04:45 PM | #24 |
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Who the hell is doing the editing at Motor Trend these days? I'm a subscriber, and I'm pretty appalled by how many incorrect numbers and citations appear throughout the photos and article. V6 figures for the 1LE? 14.7s 1/4 mile times for both? Neither of these match the performance data at the bottom, which I guess is what matters, but all that could be f'ed up, too!
Ugh, assuming that it's correct, though, well done Camaro team. And Motor Trend: pick up the slack!!
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01-02-2013, 05:03 PM | #25 |
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I say good job to both companies for making two great performing cars. They are still so close that its a drivers race no matter what race you do. I enjoy both cars for different reasons!
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01-02-2013, 05:16 PM | #26 |
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These one versus one run offs are a little like dyno tests. You can get any result you want to engineer.
There is a ZL1 versus B302 run off where the Z leads by 2+ secs per lap. However, it was at a western states track at 4800 feet elevation. Supercharged air-in had a remarkable advantage over naturally aspirated. Car prep, tune, tires, pressure, driver bias are some of many variables. The Camaro is impressive, no argument. The race circuit wins are dominated by mustangs. Until 2012 camaro never finished higher than 17th. reason-Camaro is last to the game and catching up and will improve everywhere in the results over time. I don't race, my stang is a street machine, modified for handling not power. In Missouri we have curviest hilliest roads next to west VA. We go on driving safari. The 07 Gt is 3300 ponds empty. Eibach swayB, KYB struts, Steeda arms, H&R spacers, H&R springs, Watts link rear, aluminum drive shaft & fly wheel, kevlar clutch, 3.73 axle, all you need is second and third gear-300 hp and a racing harness. I run with every Porsche 911 & BMW in the club and their brakes are hot when we stop. Through most of the roller coaster cylinder head back-pressure is ample for down hill turns. 8 cyls versus 6 is better. The camaros, they never show up. 426 Hp is literally an unusable advantage. The Pontiac GT8-sedan-taxicab road feel of the camaro just cannot be as much fun to drive. Camaro for its chassis is a better riding car. That misses the point of a pony car-a hot rod-it is supposed to have a solid axle and feel rude. If I wanted a nice ride I would buy a Lexus. Final point: on certain challenging country road routes I will take my car and beat yours or take your car and beat mine. That is why these one on one tests are suspect regardless of which car wins. |
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Do you even lift, bro?
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X3 gallons = 19.05lbs + extra weight of the larger tank let's call it 20lbs :P
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01-02-2013, 05:30 PM | #28 |
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Bravoooooooooooo
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