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Old 12-18-2010, 12:25 PM   #1
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DIY - V8 L99 Automatic Transmission Fluid Change

V8 L99 Automatic Transmission Fluid Change only.

1) Jack your car up on the Passenger side and put it on a jack-stand(s).

2) Take out the drain-plug and drain the transmission fluid. (About 2 qt)

2a) My method (this method will not require to remove the pan) - Park your car on an incline slope and jack both side up so the head of the car as high as possible (see picture). Unplug the drain-plug and you should get about 3.5 qt out this way. You can also get two ramps to create your incline slope. I got about 3.5 quarts out with this method.

2b) Correct method - require to remove the pan) unscrew the pan nuts and take out the pan to release all the fluid out. Remember to change out the pan gasket.

*Either methods will allow fluid to come out one way or another more or less. You can create your own method if you have a different idea.*

3) Close the drain-plug. Measure the oil fluid level and add the new fluid (DEXRON-VI ATF) using the same measurement. Common sense: 3.5 quarts out, 3.5 quarts in. If you think you need to do the technical measuring while the car idles, koodos to you then.

4) Count three screws down on the passenger side and go straight up. You will see/feel the fill-plug with a rubber cap. Using a small flat-head driver, pop the rubber fill-plug cap out.

5) Using a hand-pump (see picture) fill the new fluid through the open fill-plug. I run the tube from the engine bay to the fill-plug.

6) Close the fill-plug back up with the rubber cap.

7) Smile and pad yourself in the back for saving $250 at the dealer service department.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:43 PM   #2
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Wow thanks alot!! Great write up. How offer should that be done??
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:44 PM   #3
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Btw nice job incorporating the camaro into the full metal jacket quote!!
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:48 PM   #4
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your method/ instructions are totally wrong.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:52 PM   #5
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your method/ instructions are totally wrong.
Enlight me with your wisdom. How do you do it?
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:54 PM   #6
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Wow thanks alot!! Great write up. How offer should that be done??
The book says every 100,000 miles, but I do mine at every 25,000 miles.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:07 PM   #7
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thats not the drain plug, it is the fluid level check plug
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you have the vehicle raised up and level, you remove the pan to get all the fluid out

you re-install the pan and add some fluid, run it through the gears, and warm up the trans to 30-50C (86-122F)

you then with the trans in park and the engine running at idle, pull out the fluid level check plug on the pan and fill the trans till fluid just starts to run out of the plug,, the trans is now full

the vehicle needs to be level and the trans at the correct operating temp
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:28 PM   #9
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I would be great if you can scan the whole transmission fluid change instruction by the repair manual. Thanks
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This procedure checks both the transmission fluid level, as well as the condition of the fluid itself. Since the transmission on this vehicle is not equipped with a fill tube and dipstick, a tube in the bottom pan is used to set the fluid level.


Caution: The transmission fluid level must be checked when the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) is between 30-50C (86-122F). If the TFT is not within this range, operate the vehicle or allow the fluid to cool as required. Setting the fluid level with a TFT outside this range will result in either an under or over-filled transmission. TFT>50C=under-filled, TFT<30C=over-filled. An under-filled transmission will cause premature component wear or damage. An over-filled transmission will cause fluid to discharge out the vent tube, fluid foaming, or pump cavitation.

Observe the TFT using the driver information center (DIC) or a scan tool.
Start and idle the engine.
Depress the brake pedal and move the shift lever through each gear range. Pause for at least 3 seconds in each range. Move the shift lever back to PARK. Ensure the engine RPM is low (500-800 RPM).
Allow the engine to idle for at least 1 minute.
Raise the vehicle on a hoist. The vehicle must be level, with the engine running and the shift lever in the PARK range.



Caution: THE ENGINE MUST BE RUNNING when the trans oil level check plug is removed or excessive fluid loss will occur, resulting in an under-filled condition. An under-filled transmission will cause premature component wear or damage.

Note: Continue to monitor the TFT. If the TFT is not within the specified values, reinstall the trans oil level check plug and repeat the previous steps.

Remove the trans oil level check plug (1) from the transmission fluid pan. Allow any fluid (2) to drain.

• If the fluid is flowing as a steady stream, wait until the fluid begins to drip.

• If no fluid comes out, add fluid until fluid drips out.



Replace the trans oil level check plug and tighten to 25 Nm (18 lb ft).
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Camaro1 - Thank you for your inputs. I'm sure some of us all here have the same questions. Very technical write up(repair manual?) but it only good after you have all the fluid inside the pan and every nuts and bolts are tighted to specs.

My first concern is, how or where do we fill up the pan with fluid according to the manual? If my fill-plug location is wrong, why it is there with transmission fluid residual (see picture) and what purpose does it do beside a fill-plug?

My second concern is, why bother with all the technical measuring while the car idles at the set temperatures while you can use the same measurement and be done with it? Common sense tells me that if you get 5 quarts out, putting 5 quarts back in makes more sense to me. We're doing a fluid change, not a transmission fluid flush.
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:38 PM   #12
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Camaro1 - Thank you for your inputs. I'm sure some of us all here have the same questions. Very technical write up(repair manual?) but it only good after you have all the fluid inside the pan and every nuts and bolts are tighted to specs.

My first concern is, how or where do we fill up the pan with fluid according to the manual? If my fill-plug location is wrong, why it is there with transmission fluid residual (see picture) and what purpose does it do beside a fill-plug?

My second concern is, why bother with all the technical measuring while the car idles at the set temperatures while you can use the same measurement and be done with it? Common sense tells me that if you get 5 quarts out, putting 5 quarts back in makes more sense to me. We're doing a fluid change, not a transmission fluid flush.


ok, first i never said your fill location was wrong,,, but your bolt that you removed to try and drain the pan is not a drain plug,,, it is the fill level plug,, you fill the trans when the car is level and up to temp and when fluid starts coming out of the plug hole in the pan the trans is full

your fill method of just measuring the fluid you drained and putting that much back in, tells you nothing,,, is the trans full or not,, you dont know unless you do the correct fill procedure,, on top of that you are trying to drain the pan from the fill level indicator plug,, look at the pic i posted, the pan will never drain below the tube that is in the pan, as this is how you know the fluid level is full,,, when the fluid level spills over this tube

the correct fluid change requires you to remove the pan , drain it and re-install the pan, and do the correct fill procedure,, this is a fluid change

and the fluid temp is needed to be in specs when checked because trans fluid expands and contracts based on temp,, when you have the trans fluid warmed up to the spec you then can check the level with the plug in the pan.

a fluid flush requires you to hook the trans lines to a trans fluid flush machine and the machine will pump new fluid into the trans at the same rate that fluid is being pumped out of the trans while the engine is running,
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:09 PM   #13
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There are more than one way to drain the fluid out. I appreciated your inputs. I still see no reason to do all the measurement test according to the book unless you don't trust your current fluid level put in by GM.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:53 AM   #14
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You would think GM would put a drain plug on the pan. I wonder if the truck 6l80e pan has a drain plug. I might just have to install a drain plug on my pan or buy a pan with a drain plug.


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A drain plug is a good idea and reduces the mess when dropping the pan. What about changing the filter? Doesn't this trans have a filter like the older TH350/400 trans had that required dropping the pan to replace?
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A drain plug is a good idea and reduces the mess when dropping the pan. What about changing the filter? Doesn't this trans have a filter like the older TH350/400 trans had that required dropping the pan to replace?
It does have a filter.

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Why is the drain plug on the upper side and not on the lower side of the pan? Why is the fill-plug hidden from us? A shaddy design by GM who wants us to bring our cars into their service department in order to steal money our hard working dollars. It's the same tactic, well used by BMW and LEXUS, to lure us into their service department because we can't do it or lack the tools.
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Why is the drain plug on the upper side and not on the lower side of the pan? Why is the fill-plug hidden from us? A shaddy design by GM who wants us to bring our cars into their service department in order to steal money our hard working dollars. It's the same tactic, well used by BMW and LEXUS, to lure us into their service department because we can't do it or lack the tools.
Really? That's what you think is in play here?

A. 99% of the population never change the trans fluid themselves.

B. GM recommends changing it every 100,000 miles. That's hardly a ploy to get you in the service department to make all kinds of money for GM.

C. I don't see much point in CHANGING fluid by draining the pan when there's still a lot of fluid in the transmission. It's either a multi-step process or a trip to a transmission shop to do a FLUSH.
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Really? That's what you think is in play here?

A. 99% of the population never change the trans fluid themselves.

B. GM recommends changing it every 100,000 miles. That's hardly a ploy to get you in the service department to make all kinds of money for GM.

C. I don't see much point in CHANGING fluid by draining the pan when there's still a lot of fluid in the transmission. It's either a multi-step process or a trip to a transmission shop to do a FLUSH.



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Really? That's what you think is in play here?

A. 99% of the population never change the trans fluid themselves.

B. GM recommends changing it every 100,000 miles. That's hardly a ploy to get you in the service department to make all kinds of money for GM.

C. I don't see much point in CHANGING fluid by draining the pan when there's still a lot of fluid in the transmission. It's either a multi-step process or a trip to a transmission shop to do a FLUSH.
And 99% of the population don't drive their Camaros hard enough to require a transmission fluid change before 100,000 miles.

Ditto the differential. People have reported dirty differential fluid, but it's supposed to look chalky due to the friction plates!
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Why is the drain plug on the upper side and not on the lower side of the pan?


because its not a drain plug,, it is the fill level indicator plug!

check out the pic i posted,, when fluid flows out of the plug the level is full
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Camaro 1 is right.

Alot of the newer cars and the 97-now corvette's do not have drain plugs. Those are actually the fill plugs.To drain it you drop the pan. To fill you need the car running and start pumping tranny fluid into the fill (some people think drain)plug. It can get very messy. Car has to be level.I do it on the lift with someone in the car to hit it in gear ect to make sure it is full.
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Camaro 1 is right.

Alot of the newer cars and the 97-now corvette's do not have drain plugs. Those are actually the fill plugs.To drain it you drop the pan. To fill you need the car running and start pumping tranny fluid into the fill (some people think drain)plug. It can get very messy. Car has to be level.I do it on the lift with someone in the car to hit it in gear ect to make sure it is full.
I don't know why people keep thinking the myth of no fill-plug. I found the fill-plug. See picture. The drain-plug get me about 2.5 quarts out when unplug it on level ground. Don't unplug the drain-plug if you don't want a big mess on the floor.

I agreed that taking the whole pan out will take most of the fluid out, but you can't never get 100% old fluid out unless one do a system flush. Tilting the head of the car up will yield another 1 qt or more (depend on your slope). By taking 3.5qt out of 6.7qt, you can reduce the wear and tear of the gears by 50%.
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the total 6l80e system capacity is 10.9 qts

and why do you keep calling it a drain plug,, its not a drain plug!
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the total 6l80e system capacity is 10.9 qts

and why do you keep calling it a drain plug,, its not a drain plug!

1) 2010 Camaro Owner's Manual page 11-3 states that V8 Engine 6-Speed Automatic capacity is 6.7qt
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33993

2) I'll call it an outlet-plug then, just to keep you off my neck. ?

3) Have you unplug (so called fill-plug) and try to put a tube through the hole to refill the pan? It's impossible because you will hit the fillter blocking the hole to receive any kind of inlet tubes or fluid in. That is why you need to use the fill-plug from the top of the transmission, not the bottom plug.
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