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Old 03-06-2011, 01:31 AM   #1
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Safety requirements at the Fest

I've looked around but can't seem to find information on the requirements for drag racing at the Fest. I know there are NHRA requirements, but I'm wondering how strict they're going to be. I'm afraid there are going to be a lot of fast cars pulled off the track. Can someone post this up?
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:43 AM   #2
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Plan for strict rules to be safe. Better than being told ya can't make a run. They may not be to strict, unless someone puts some paint on a barrier . Think the worst that happened last year was a few break downs at the line. Rules were posted a couple weeks prior to trip. Should be posted soon.
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:24 PM   #3
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Pretty sure they will be going by the track rules for insurance reasons.

Its all on the Firebird international raceway web page.

The car needs to be built for safety at its speeds.

Power adders require jacket and helmet
13.99 and under require helmet
11.5 will be helmet jacket and roll bar

I imagine that these simple rules will cause a huge number to bow out or have to lift to be slow enough.. But most of the real fast ones already have all the nhra safety requirements met for their home tracks anyway.

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Rules are there for everyone's safety. That is something you don't want someone to be lax on.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:37 PM   #6
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I was warned to get a racing jacket that is SFI 3.2A/1 rated. I found one online for $80 at OG racing. The jacket I purchased from them is really nice and is light weight so you don't need to worry about getting too hot in it. I will most likely have it in my trunk at Great America this Friday since I'm autocrossing this weekend.
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These are general NHRA rules out of the NHRA rule book for this year. Most tracks use these guidelines.
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How about Parachutes, I think Josh is going to need one if he keeps his mod addiction up
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Thanks for all the feedback. I really posted this for everyone else's benefit...not my own.

Drive shaft loop was already on, and my cage and harness were just installed. I'll have all my gear, and even going with thicker studs for the rear wheels.

I just think there are probably a lot of people strapping blowers on their cars that don't even go to the track. I wanted everyone to be aware so they aren't disappointed. You can borrow a helmet, but installing a cage at the Fest would be tough.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:38 PM   #10
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Are there ladies classes for pure stock LLT? Will she need a helmet?
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Thanks for all the feedback. I really posted this for everyone else's benefit...not my own.

Drive shaft loop was already on, and my cage and harness were just installed. I'll have all my gear, and even going with thicker studs for the rear wheels.

I just think there are probably a lot of people strapping blowers on their cars that don't even go to the track. I wanted everyone to be aware so they aren't disappointed. You can borrow a helmet, but installing a cage at the Fest would be tough.
Saw your roll bar and it looks awesome, but isn't a minimum of a 5 point required in NHRA?
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Saw your roll bar and it looks awesome, but isn't a minimum of a 5 point required in NHRA?
Yea...I'll have to just take the chance. I'm not putting that bar in my daily driver.

My understanding is unless you're in nationally sanctioned race what I have should be fine. If they are completely anal about every rule at the Fest we'll end up with very few cars running.
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Yea...I'll have to just take the chance. I'm not putting that bar in my daily driver.

My understanding is unless you're in nationally sanctioned race what I have should be fine. If they are completely anal about every rule at the Fest we'll end up with very few cars running.
Yeah, I seriously thought about doing one in my car but I don't want to lose the back seats. :(
I had a 5 point in my daily driven 98 SS, It wasn't too bad. But I took that car wayyyyyy to far and I keep telling myself I won't do that with this one.
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Yeah, I seriously thought about doing one in my car but I don't want to lose the back seats. :(
I had a 5 point in my daily driven 98 SS, It wasn't too bad. But I took that car wayyyyyy to far and I keep telling myself I won't do that with this one.
What's really cool is that ARD made the center bar removable so I can still use the back seat. I don't use it very often, but it's cool knowing I can.
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What's really cool is that ARD made the center bar removable so I can still use the back seat. I don't use it very often, but it's cool knowing I can.
What was the cost if you don't mind me asking? You are kind of tempting me.
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NHRA sanctioned tracks, have to meet NHRA rules. if the event is sanctioned by NHRA or not. Thats how it works at a small local drag strip in pueblo co. im sure a large track like firebird has to abide by the same rules.

EDIT:this info came from a former tech who i used to work with in denver about 7 years ago.
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Saw your roll bar and it looks awesome, but isn't a minimum of a 5 point required in NHRA?
Did some more research and it looks like I'm good. Here's what I found:

ROLL BAR
Roll bar mandatory in all cars (including T-tops) running 11.00 (*7.00) to 11.49 (*7.35), in convertibles running 11.00 (*7.00) to 13.49 (*8.25), and in all dune-buggy-type vehicles running 12.00 (*7.50) seconds and slower. Permitted in all cars. See General Regulations 4:10, 10:6.

ROLL CAGE
Roll cage mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any car exceeding 135 mph. In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted), running between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted
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So, you're only required to have a full roll cage if you're running faster than 10.00 or if you've altered the stock floor or body?
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:58 AM   #19
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So, you're only required to have a full roll cage if you're running faster than 10.00 or if you've altered the stock floor or body?
That's what it looks like.
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And if you're running 9.99 or better, I would hope you'd know it before C5Fest
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And if you're running 9.99 or better, I would hope you'd know it before C5Fest
No doubt...that wouldn't be me. If I ran under 10 I'd gladly take my slip and get off the track!
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The only safety device I'll need at the fest is designated driver!
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Did some more research and it looks like I'm good. Here's what I found:

ROLL BAR
Roll bar mandatory in all cars (including T-tops) running 11.00 (*7.00) to 11.49 (*7.35), in convertibles running 11.00 (*7.00) to 13.49 (*8.25), and in all dune-buggy-type vehicles running 12.00 (*7.50) seconds and slower. Permitted in all cars. See General Regulations 4:10, 10:6.

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Roll cage mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any car exceeding 135 mph. In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted), running between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted
I researched this a lot before i bought and welded in a chromoly 5 point into my 98SS.

It's a pet peeve of mine when people call roll bars roll cages. Roll cages have halos and at least 8 points where they tie into the car.

Roll bar's are usually 4,5 or 6 points.

Minimum NHRA roll bar requirements are minimum 5 points, non removable crossbar and the rear bars also have to be welded to the main hoop. Your head also has to be MAX 5" from the top of the hoop and MAX 6" infront of the main hoop.

Another interesting change that most people don't know about is that you can run legally run a convertible WITHOUT a roll bar at test and tune or "street" event if they are "production stock". http://www.nhra.net/2004/news/june/062202.html
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I researched this a lot before i bought and welded in a chromoly 5 point into my 98SS.

It's a pet peeve of mine when people call roll bars roll cages. Roll cages have halos and at least 8 points where they tie into the car.

Roll bar's are usually 4,5 or 6 points.

Minimum NHRA roll bar requirements are minimum 5 points, non removable crossbar and the rear bars also have to be welded to the main hoop. Your head also has to be MAX 5" from the top of the hoop and MAX 6" infront of the main hoop.

Another interesting change that most people don't know about is that you can run legally run a convertible WITHOUT a roll bar at test and tune or "street" event if they are "production stock". http://www.nhra.net/2004/news/june/062202.html
Sounds good...I'm definitely no expert. I don't want that bar, so I guess we'll just see what happens.
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Are there ladies classes for pure stock LLT? Will she need a helmet?
13.99 0r quicker must have a helmet.

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