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Old 07-30-2011, 12:12 PM   #1
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It just dawned on me...(ZL1 vs Vette)

It just dawned on me that no one will be able to touch this car.
Not even a ZO6. Unless maybe a LS9 ZR1..... And its not likely we will find that many Zr1's roaming the streets.... The streets will be ours people! I aint even worried about that Shelby GT500!
Now if that don't make Camaro owners happy nothing will.
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A bit too bold. I don't know about a Z06. Guys with just tires have seen 10 second E.T's trapping just under 130mph. I don't think the ZL1 would be able to do that with nearly a thousand pounds more. Not saying it's not gonna be fast, it's gonna be wicked fast, an animal for sure and I know I'm gonna love them. The Z06 is just an animal.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:42 PM   #5
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It just dawned on me that no one will be able to touch this car.
Not even a ZO6. Unless maybe a LS9 ZR1..... And its not likely we will find that many Zr1's roaming the streets.... The streets will be ours people! I aint even worried about that Shelby GT500!
Now if that don't make Camaro owners happy nothing will.
The ZL1 wont be able to touch a Z06.

The ZL1 WILL be a fair match for a LS3 'Vette.
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The ZL1 wont be able to touch a Z06.

The ZL1 WILL be a fair match for a LS3 'Vette.
thats until u modded it, tweak it, and more rubber..then ...blink i see a zo6 behind me
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thats until u modded it, tweak it, and more rubber..then ...blink i see a zo6 behind me
And then what happens when the Z06 does the same?
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The ZL1 wont be able to touch a Z06.

The ZL1 WILL be a fair match for a LS3 'Vette.
I would assume a little faster than the LS3 'Vette.
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I would assume a little faster than the LS3 'Vette.
Given equal drivers and equal conditions, yes.
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Old 07-30-2011, 01:36 PM   #10
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I'll put it in Vette GS territory.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:40 PM   #11
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Lets not get crazy. A ZL1 is not going to beat a Z06. Not at the dragstrip or in the twisties. I'm buying a ZL1...but you gotta be realistic.
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I suspect there is goign to be a continuing trend of "OMG ZL1!!!! BEST CAR EVAR!!!" and people will buy it expecting to slay everything on the road, and then when it doesnt, there will be a great surge of disappointment.

Dont get me wrong, it'll go like stink and be cool as hell. However, like what happened two years ago when the SS's arrived..every loss will result in people doubting and throwing a fit.

ZL1<Z06/ZR1.
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Lets not get crazy. A ZL1 is not going to beat a Z06. Not at the dragstrip or in the twisties. I'm buying a ZL1...but you gotta be realistic.

I agree, my expectations are not aimed that high. I'm thinking and hoping it'll perform somewhere between the GS and Z06 Corvette.
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The Z06 will whip a ZL1.

Assume 4000 pounds for the ZL1 (SS is 3800 and the ZL1 will definitely be more). Assume 600 horsepower for the ZL1.

That's 4000lb/600hp = 6.67lb/hp

Z06 is 3175lb/505hp = 6.29lb/hp

If the ZL1 only gets 575hp, that's 6.96lb/hp.

A Corvette GS has 7.68 lb/hp. So the ZL1 will be between a GS and a Z06 in a straight line. Either Vette would handle the ZL1 easily on a track though.
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Old 07-30-2011, 03:45 PM   #15
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I agree, my expectations are not aimed that high. I'm thinking and hoping it'll perform somewhere between the GS and Z06 Corvette.
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It just dawned on me that no one will be able to touch this car.
Not even a ZO6. Unless maybe a LS9 ZR1.....
Umm.....seriously??

Given equal drivers, the ZR1 will absolutely destroy the ZL1. Even IF the ZL1 were to get 600hp (VERY wishful thinking), the Z06 will still easily be able to take the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile.

Not sure what fantasy land you live in, but if you do some simple power to weight computations you might actually come back to reality.
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Lets not get crazy. A ZL1 is not going to beat a Z06. Not at the dragstrip or in the twisties. I'm buying a ZL1...but you gotta be realistic.
The only thing IMHO only (just opinion here) is the Z06 will beat it only because of the weight difference; but not by much. I do not think the Z06 will be able to "stomp" a ZL1 by any token of the word. You might think twice before you get close to one and stomp down it on it but no. Im not afraid. Lets take it to the hwy!
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Umm.....seriously??

Given equal drivers, the ZR1 will absolutely destroy the ZL1. Even IF the ZL1 were to get 600hp (VERY wishful thinking), the Z06 will still easily be able to take the ZL1 in the 1/4 mile.

Not sure what fantasy land you live in, but if you do some simple power to weight computations you might actually come back to reality.
I excluded ZR1 read it again....
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The only thing IMHO only (just opinion here) is the Z06 will beat it only because of the weight difference; but not by much. I do not think the Z06 will be able to "stomp" a ZL1 by any token of the word. You might think twice before you get close to one and stomp down it on it but no. Im not afraid. Lets take it to the hwy!
The HWY is where you DON'Twant to race a ZL1 vs a Z06. 2011 Z06 top speed=198MPH!
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The only thing IMHO only (just opinion here) is the Z06 will beat it only because of the weight difference; but not by much. I do not think the Z06 will be able to "stomp" a ZL1 by any token of the word. You might think twice before you get close to one and stomp down it on it but no. Im not afraid. Lets take it to the hwy!
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I think some feelings are going to be hurt when the ZL1 comes out. From Car & Driver's Lightning lap:

C6 ZR1: 2:49.8
C6 Z06: 2:58.2
C6 GS: 2:58.5
C6 LS3: 3:01.2
C6 LS2: 3:03.6
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CTS-V Coupe: 3.04.2

Camaro SS: 3:09.5

The CTS-V is a 4200lb car with the 556hp LSA, 6-speed, magnetic shocks in the suspension, and beefy brembo brakes. Gee, that sounds like a ZL1... even if the ZL1 comes in at 3900-4100 pounds (I predict 4000) and has 570hp or so, that probably won't be enough to shave 3 seconds off of a road course lap. I bet a 2007 Corvette LS2 will put up a good fight against a ZL1 on a road course, while the C6 LS3 will be tougher to catch and the GS/Z06/ZR1 untouchable.

I'm not saying the ZL1 won't be an amazing beast, and I'm not saying I don't want one. However, the reality is we're talking about a 4000lb (or more) large sports car with a supercharged motor and 20" rims. C6 Z06 killer it is not.

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The HWY is where you DON'Twant to race a ZL1 vs a Z06. 2011 Z06 top speed=198MPH!
Maybe maybe not. We still dont have ZL1 top speed yet.
Besides, If I can't beat you at under 198 mph odds are I wont beat you at all. I will also let you have the race at anything over 120 MPH for safety reasons. On a other note If you are a cars length in front of me at any given point you can have the race as well. But thats not where I plan on beating you anyway.
Its from red light to red light while you are still eating on your sandwich...
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Maybe maybe not. We still dont have ZL1 top speed yet.
Besides, If I can't beat you at under 198 mph odds are I wont beat you at all. I will also let you have the race at anything over 120 MPH for safety reasons. On a other note If you are a cars length in front of me at any given point you can have the race as well. But thats not where I plan on beating you anyway.
Its from red light to red light while you are still eating on your sandwich...
You said "take it to the HWY" thats why I gave the Z06's top speed. If the Z06 Driver is snoozing or just a bad driver...I can see a ZL1 taking him at a red light. But if you have equal drivers...no way.
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I think some feelings are going to be hurt when the ZL1 comes out. From Car & Driver's Lightning lap:

C6 ZR1: 2:49.8
C6 Z06: 2:58.2
C6 GS: 2:58.5
C6 LS3: 3:01.2
C6 LS2: 3:03.6
CTS-V Sedan: 3:04.0
CTS-V Coupe: 3.04.2

Camaro SS: 3:09.5

The CTS-V is a 4200lb car with the 556hp LSA, 6-speed, magnetic shocks in the suspension, and beefy brembo brakes. Gee, that sounds like a ZL1... even if the ZL1 comes in at 3900-4100 pounds (I predict 4000) and has 570hp or so, that probably won't be enough to shave 3 seconds off of a road course lap. I bet a 2007 Corvette LS2 will put up a good fight against a ZL1 on a road course, while the C6 LS3 will be tougher to catch and the GS/Z06/ZR1 untouchable.

I'm not saying the ZL1 won't be an amazing beast, and I'm not saying I don't want one. However, the reality is we're talking about a 4000lb (or more) large sports car with a supercharged motor and 20" rims. C6 Z06 killer it is not.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8
Im old school. Who needs a track? Some good points btw you mentioned.
Not buying a ZL1 to race it on a track or even a drag strip for that matter...
That ZO6 and ZL1 both will spin all the way down the strip to the finish line here where I am from.......
Bring your Z06 to my home town. I know of several 8th mile spots...
Even qtr mile......
Bring that 90K ZO6....im not scared......
Ill be at the finish line quicker than you can line up to the starting line....
Fair enough?
The 50 or so extra in HP is all the edge the ZO6 needs to give me.
Any takers?

Im being dead honest here. I wont race you for pink slips but I will race you for a Benjamin...
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You said "take it to the HWY" thats why I gave the Z06's top speed. If the Z06 Driver is snoozing or just a bad driver...I can see a ZL1 taking him at a red light. But if you have equal drivers...no way.
See? Thats two votes people!
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