EDMUNDS shootout: Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger!!! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

fad1 · 03-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Inside Line Compares Mustang GT, Camaro SS, and Challenger R/T

find out who the winner is .......................

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

Sorry if its a repost.

TJ91 · 03-23-2009, 12:00 AM

Repost but its a reall good review

blackZbandit · 03-23-2009, 12:24 AM

I also love how all 3 cars are similarly equipped but the Camaro still came out their top pick AND the cheapest... and can't for get this:

Quote:

There's little more to be said than the Camaro is back. In a big way. And SS once again truly means Super Sport.

CommandoSS · 03-23-2009, 12:24 AM

Best review to date. Makes some great points to the people complaining about the interior and rear visibility.

This car is meant to be driven hard and driven fast - not sit in a show room so that all of your buddies can look at the interior.

It's as simple as that.

TJ91 · 03-23-2009, 12:35 AM

Commando, the bumper on your sig is just killer, cant wait to see what the aftermarket will have

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-23-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blackZbandit

LOL at the Mustang turned the opposite direction from the SS and the RT in the vid... I gues it didn't want anyone to see its little 'engine'.

umm.... the 4.6 is bigger than either the LS3 and the Hemi.

Bawt · 03-23-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

umm.... the 4.6 is bigger than either the LS3 and the Hemi.

The Hemi is a 5.7l and the LS3 is a 6.2l...

Am I misunderstanding something?

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-23-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bawt

The Hemi is a 5.7l and the LS3 is a 6.2l...

Am I misunderstanding something?

have you seen a 4.6??

stovt001 · 03-23-2009, 02:14 AM

The wars are back indeed. This review sounds much more accepting of the Camaro than the stand-alone review from Friday. They've now gone the other way on the feeling of weight and agility and now say the Camaro actually does feel pretty agile. That's very good to know! They still hate the wheel and plastics, but since no one else has really made that complaint and Cars.com said the plastics, though hard, were still actually very good, I'll take those criticisms with a grain of salt. Visibility, hopefully it is just something I can get used to.

What about the other cars? This shootout definitely reaffirmed my positions on them. The Challenger is stupid, slow, plodding, doddering, low quality, obese, nothing more than a style statement. The Mustang, on the other hand, is very tempting. I really think I should test drive one before deciding. The lower weight and smaller size are definitely upsides for me, and I liked the interior of the one I sat in. Despite its lack of power it is absolutely a competitive rival to the Camaro, and I have to respect Ford for what they've been able to do with a solid rear axle. A worthy competitor indeed.

I'll consider the Mustang along with the Camaro, but for now I guess I'll have to assume Edmunds is right - Camaro wins!

Italianwhiplash · 03-23-2009, 10:11 AM

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

justmeron · 03-23-2009, 10:15 AM

Camaro wins. woot!

Speedy1975 · 03-23-2009, 10:19 AM

Interesting reviews. I gotta say I'm a little surprised at how well the Mustang does. I mean it's over 100 HP down in power. To bad it's just another Mustang.

Icewinds · 03-23-2009, 10:25 AM

I don't get why Ford won't ditch the archaic rear axle. With up-to-date architecture that car could kick major butt, and not just in the muscle car segment. I definitely like where they're going with the 2010 model, but solid rear axle in 21st century is just a big NO for me.

fdjizm · 03-23-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

can't compare them it's out of price range... thats the rule on these here forums.

UCF w00t · 03-23-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

The R/T was already the most expensive in the bunch. The SRT is considered to be on the level of the GT500. There is no Camaro equivalent (until a z28). Even if you throw in the much more expensive SRT8, the Camaro will still win. It's still heavier, we've seen the drag times... Camaro still wins. And although it add's brembos and better tires, those are things the SS already has. I don't see how that would change much of anything. It would still be bringing up the rear but with less of a gap.

fdjizm · 03-23-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Icewinds

I don't get why Ford won't ditch the archaic rear axle. With up-to-date architecture that car could kick major butt, and not just in the muscle car segment. I definitely like where they're going with the 2010 model, but rear axle in 21st century is just a big NO for me.

because it has worked for 45 years maybe? i dont get why people dont ditch the butter knife either...

sra is obviously capable of handling just fine. keeps costs down and a very reliable piece.
ask these guys if they have any issues getting around the track with their sra's
it's been proven time and time again though the SRA is old, it works just fine.

Icewinds · 03-23-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fdjizm

because it has worked for 45 years maybe? i dont get why people dont ditch the butter knife either...

sra is obviously capable of handling just fine. keeps costs down and a very reliable piece.
ask these guys if they have any issues getting around the track with their sra's
it's been proven time and time again though the SRA is old, it works just fine.

A horse worked just fine for transportation for more than few thousand years.

Keeping the costs down is another thing, though. However, if the manufacturer is gunning for high performance, saving on vital parts like suspension is not the best approach, IMO.

*Moose* · 03-23-2009, 10:52 AM

Folks, I've already chosen to delete a few posts, as had one of the Admins..

I'll ask this once; KEEP THE POSTS RESPECTFUL.

In light of the recent "atmosphere" on the site, the leash is very short.

RudySRT8 · 03-23-2009, 10:53 AM

why is the camaro ss being compared to the challenger r/t ? isn't the SS's rival the GT500 and the SRT8's ?

MarkSS · 03-23-2009, 10:54 AM

One reason, $$$.

*DGthe3* · 03-23-2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bawt

The Hemi is a 5.7l and the LS3 is a 6.2l...

Am I misunderstanding something?

OHC's take up more space than cam in block designs. So the engine itself tends to be larger, regardless of its displacement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdjizm

can't compare them it's out of price range... thats the rule on these here forums.

Well since the average buyer goes by price it seems a pretty reasonable way to compare for me. If I have an out the door budget of $40 000, including tax, title, license, etc the GT500 and SRT8 are beyond my reach. The R/T, GT, and SS aren't.

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Originally Posted by GLBL WMR

Stop talking, troll. You risk infecting us with your stupidity.

And miss guided comments like that are infecting this site. Let moderators deal with trolls, you can simply ignore them.

kevin2323 · 03-23-2009, 11:01 AM

why did they option out the rt so much ....rediculous

and no the challenger isnt plain stupid and just a style statement. wow the opinions some people have....are just that opinions.

KatarHol · 03-23-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RudySRT8

why is the camaro ss being compared to the challenger r/t ? isn't the SS's rival the GT500 and the SRT8's ?

Because the SRT8 is WAYYYYYY too much money to offer zero gains and in cases,less performance than the bargain priced SS. The GT500 has no pony car rival and it costs wayyyyy more than a SS,but at least it offers more performance.

Supermans · 03-23-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italianwhiplash

Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it

Are you kidding.. They compared muscle cars of the same price range..

You want to go as high as a GT500 in price, then you compare that to a Corvette. The SRT8 is more than $10,000 more than a base SS, add $10,000 more in mods to the base Camaro SS and it can clobber a stock GT500 leaving it in the dust..

GrnMchin · 03-23-2009, 11:16 AM

I say go ahead compare the SS to SRT8 and GT500, but $ may be end up being a big factor.

03-22-2009, 11:58 PM	#1
fad1 Drives: Future 5th gen Camaro Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles California Posts: 1,108	EDMUNDS shootout: Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger!!! Inside Line Compares Mustang GT, Camaro SS, and Challenger R/T find out who the winner is ....................... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.* Sorry if its a repost. __________________ Plan: Buy a Summit White Camaro right after College.

03-23-2009, 12:24 AM	#4
CommandoSS Drives: 05 Chevy Avalanche, 67 Camaro Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 132	Best review to date. Makes some great points to the people complaining about the interior and rear visibility. This car is meant to be driven hard and driven fast - not sit in a show room so that all of your buddies can look at the interior. It's as simple as that. __________________

03-23-2009, 02:14 AM	#9
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,817	The wars are back indeed. This review sounds much more accepting of the Camaro than the stand-alone review from Friday. They've now gone the other way on the feeling of weight and agility and now say the Camaro actually does feel pretty agile. That's very good to know! They still hate the wheel and plastics, but since no one else has really made that complaint and Cars.com said the plastics, though hard, were still actually very good, I'll take those criticisms with a grain of salt. Visibility, hopefully it is just something I can get used to. What about the other cars? This shootout definitely reaffirmed my positions on them. The Challenger is stupid, slow, plodding, doddering, low quality, obese, nothing more than a style statement. The Mustang, on the other hand, is very tempting. I really think I should test drive one before deciding. The lower weight and smaller size are definitely upsides for me, and I liked the interior of the one I sat in. Despite its lack of power it is absolutely a competitive rival to the Camaro, and I have to respect Ford for what they've been able to do with a solid rear axle. A worthy competitor indeed. I'll consider the Mustang along with the Camaro, but for now I guess I'll have to assume Edmunds is right - Camaro wins! __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-23-2009, 10:11 AM	#10
Italianwhiplash Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger r/t Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 177 View My Garage	Unfair review in my opinion. Lets compare it to a srt8, ss, and whatever the highest model of the new mustang is. this isn't the 60's here this is a new century . get all the high models in on it __________________ 2006 Dodge Charger R/T-Heads, cam, headers,exhaust,cut outs, nitrous , intake, 1000hp axles,3.75 gears and much much more 2009 Hemi Orange Dodge Challenger SRT-8 - 6 speed, Headers, exhaust, Super Charged,SMS Supercharger, 4.10 gears, stage 5 transmission, duel clutch, and the beast under the hood A 440 CI 7.2 LITER HEMI On order victory Red 2ss RS Camaro, Parts already received ARH Headers, SLP loud Mouth I exhaust, waiting for Vortech SuperCharger.

03-23-2009, 10:15 AM	#11
justmeron Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 1,268 View My Garage	Camaro wins. woot! __________________ 2010 2011 Chevrolet Camaro Faded Black Side Vent Highlight Decal Kit Life is not like a box of chocolates, its more like eating a whole jar of jalapenos.... what you do today may burn your ass tomorrow!!!!

03-23-2009, 12:00 AM	#2
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 12,346	Repost but its a reall good review

03-23-2009, 12:35 AM	#5
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 12,346	Commando, the bumper on your sig is just killer, cant wait to see what the aftermarket will have

03-23-2009, 10:19 AM	#12
Speedy1975 FASTER! Drives: 2009 Dodge Challenger Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,388	Interesting reviews. I gotta say I'm a little surprised at how well the Mustang does. I mean it's over 100 HP down in power. To bad it's just another Mustang. __________________ -Speedy 2009 Challenger R/T - Arrington Forged 6.0L and Magnacharger Supercharger - 553RWHP 627RWTQ

03-23-2009, 10:25 AM	#13
Icewinds Drives: Mitsu' Eclipse Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tbilisi Posts: 18	I don't get why Ford won't ditch the archaic rear axle. With up-to-date architecture that car could kick major butt, and not just in the muscle car segment. I definitely like where they're going with the 2010 model, but solid rear axle in 21st century is just a big NO for me.

03-23-2009, 10:52 AM	#18
Moose Moderator Drives: '99 Camaro SS #1392 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newtown, Pa. Posts: 4,016	Folks, I've already chosen to delete a few posts, as had one of the Admins.. I'll ask this once; KEEP THE POSTS RESPECTFUL. In light of the recent "atmosphere" on the site, the leash is very short.

03-23-2009, 10:53 AM	#19
RudySRT8 Account Suspended Drives: 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 184	all theese reviews .... why is the camaro ss being compared to the challenger r/t ? isn't the SS's rival the GT500 and the SRT8's ?

03-23-2009, 10:54 AM	#20
MarkSS Drives: 1SS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 285	One reason, $$$.

03-23-2009, 11:01 AM	#22
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,339	why did they option out the rt so much ....rediculous and no the challenger isnt plain stupid and just a style statement. wow the opinions some people have....are just that opinions.

03-23-2009, 11:16 AM	#25
GrnMchin Not easy being Green Drives: 67 Nova SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,518	I say go ahead compare the SS to SRT8 and GT500, but $ may be end up being a big factor.

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