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Old 08-18-2011, 09:24 AM   #1
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Gilmour's 30x60x28 Loft/Garage - Home of Detroit Muscle

HAHAHA...
just joking Chris!

Hey Guys... time to start another build thread! I am building a Pole Barn back in Northern Michigan. I didnt even realize we had a garage section until I ran across Chris's build thread. I know a few of us Camaro5 guys have threads over at GarageJournal.com as well.. since a few of you have found me.

But thought I should run dual threads here so I can share my progress with my family here. So some of this will be a copy and paste from my other thread.

So here are a few of my posts to get you all caught up on my progres so far.





A thread for a 30x60 Pole Barn with upstairs loft

Quick run down on me and where I come from.
I am 27 years old, car nut, outdoorsman, techie (this will play into the design), I grew up in Northern Michigan, near Traverse City, Fife Lake to be exact. After college I moved to Austin Texas where I lived in all sorts of modern downtown condos (also playing into the design) and started work for an IT Consulting firm, with this career I travel a lot. Usually 46 weeks a year I spend 4 days a week at the client site. Meaning that I travel to my client, currently in NYC and am only home on the weekends. (also playing into the design)

After 4 years in Austin I have decided that it was time to move back home, I missed my family, the nature, the bearable temperatures (i dont mind winter, but Texas summers are a.... )
It was my Dad that got me going on this more than 6 months ago. I think his exact words were.... "You have too much shit in my garage and barn, you should build one of your own".... to my response... "ok sure, if I had a house, or property"..... to his suprising response... "I am going to give you a 50x150 Lot on the other side of the road".......... me: "thank you"

So fast forward a few months, I moved home the May 22nd 2011, and here I am starting my build thread on May 31st with progress underway.
It will not be a fast project, I just want to keep making progress and be able to have the loft livable before the temps start to drop. I have a pretty decent Motley Crew of helpers that should make this project go by fairly smoothly… ooops, did I just jinx myself. I hope to learn a lot during the project, that is my main goal.

So without further ado, my mild mannered team of misfits…

Dick, my dad is quite the handy man and as long back as I can remember he has done all the work on our house, ranging from plumbing to electrical to adding on decks and bedrooms
Tom, my uncle, another jack of all trades, plus his love for heavy equipment always comes in handy
Tyler, my cousin, heir to his family construction empire from a few cities away, he is the key… he can run the bobcat with finesse and hang trusses with the best of them…. Not to mention… family discount ;-)
Cheyne, my sister’s boyfriend, a licensed Heating and Cooling guy,
Nick, my childhood friend, who is there too… well, drink beer and pick stuff up I guess,
Moose, another friend that happens to be a master electrician who works for beer and gas money.

So with this group I hope to move my project along at a decent pace and hopefully pick up some skills that will help me later on in life.

So here I will list out a few of the points of interest in my build, this will grow, expand and change as time goes on. Most of this is only in my head and not thought out yet.

30x60 Pole Barn with Gambrel Roof and Upstairs Loft
Garage characteristics

Stainless washtub
Bendpak 4 post lift
Storage and organization
Infrared ceiling heat
Big overhead front garage door (10x10?)
Smaller overhead back garage door
More to come

Loft characteristics

Nice looking wood floors
Mix between modern/urban and outdoors themes
Wood walls with stainless appliances
All electronics/thermostat controlled by Iphone
Biometric thumbprint door locks
Full kitchen
Full bath
Lots of storage
Fold up bunk beds
Slider for deck access
More to come
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Below are some sketches I made with my lot size, building placement and loft design.

again, most of this is all in my head, so who knows what will work and what won't... until we try, or until you more expert users inform me




Here are some inspirational pics I have found on this website and on the internet in general.

I really want this building to fit into the neighborhood and blend with the trees.
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You ****ers.

I want a knew house too.

Dude. I LOVE exposed rafters and beams. Lots of wood and overhead is my dream. I may never have it but can't wait to see what you end up with.
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TIIIIMBBER

The is 50x150 and has quite a few trees in it, with the 20ft setback from the front property line, only 3 Maples were really an issue for the garage, but the property line had 7 white pines that we really wanted to take out. They are messy trees, they make having grass impossible and were 60ft tall, I know they would be dropping needles all over my new roof.

We ended up pulling out... I mean pushing down 10 trees in all, with 1 or 2 more still up for debate.
We know we are not professionals, but we were pretty proud of our accomplishments... 11hrs, 10 trees, 6 guys, 2 chainsaws, 1 backhoe, 4 pizzas, and 60 Strohs later we were a tired group of guys
(*note, the Strohs drinkers were not operating machinery, just hauling out brush)

Here are some pics from the begining of Phase 1, Phase 1 will end when we get the fill sand brought in, compacted and leveled.


lots of you know my buddy Nick... he thought that log looked like a naked guy... so he wanted a picture of it. hahaha
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You ****ers.

I want a knew house too.

Dude. I LOVE exposed rafters and beams. Lots of wood and overhead is my dream. I may never have it but can't wait to see what you end up with.

hahahaha...

its not so much a house... an awesome garage with an attic to keep my stuff, with sweet wood floors and stainless appliances. hahaha.

I am only home a few weekends a month, so this will be perfect for now, and later on when I buy a place, i can rent this out to vacationers and snowmobilers. haha


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here are some videos that I have been putting together as we go.







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You greedy bastard.

You'll have another one and you already had one?

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2 months after knocking down trees! finally... a building permit

took two months to get BLUEPRINTs and our permit ready... really.. blueprints... for a garage. haha. long story here, i will spare you.

here are some pics of the sand pad we put in and the wood splitting activities we had to do to get the lot cleaned up for poles and concrete footings.
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Dayummm you've come a long way already on this project... and some serious firewood stored up too. Hope there's room for a Camaro this Winter with all your stuff in there..
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You greedy bastard.

You'll have another one and you already had one?

say what?

i didnt have one.... well... technically i own the house next door to this barn,... but I do not handle that rental.. thats all dads doing.

but yes.. after this gets built and should be paid off semi quickly, i can start looking for a beach house!

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say what?

i didnt have one.... well... technically i own the house next door to this barn,... but I do not handle that rental.. thats all dads doing.


No..... On the video you told the lady you wanted another one, and she said "You already had one?"
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Dayummm you've come a long way already on this project... and some serious firewood stored up too. Hope there's room for a Camaro this Winter with all your stuff in there..
I hope it will be ready to store anything this winter. haha.

it already has 3 maybe 4 cars that will be in it this winter... depending if my uncle steals a spot for his vette like he is saying. haha


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No..... On the video you told the lady you wanted another one, and she said "You already had one?"
oh.. haha.. didnt re-listen to it before i posted it... probably talking about a Strohs. hahaha
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I've Got Wood

Since we finally were able to get our permit I spoke with my cousin Tyler, the expert that is helping me build this bad boy (man has he). He and his dad have a large construction operation and offered to help me out as much as he could. We decided this weekend was going to be the weekend to get started.

Friday 19th, ProBuild delivered the first part of the lumber package and Tyler came up with some of his equipment.

Saturday 20th, drilled 22 holes for the 6x6in 16ft poles, Grand Traverse County redefines the word overkill... in our opinion at least. haha. Our 22 holes each were 36 inches wide, 58 inches deep, with 10 inches thick of concrete. Luckily I was able to rent an auger, and Tyler brought his Bobcat.

that morning we started by putting up our string and batter board, I believe that is what it is called, it kept our holes and pole placement straight
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at 7am we started up the Bobcat, unloaded it.. had to get 22 holes dug by noon, as that was the latest concrete delivery we could get. No sweat right!

well, we got the bobcat into place, started to drill.. down 4 inches into the first hole and bam. Auger stops cold and will not start back up.

I was crushed... 15 minutes of messing with it, I knew we would not be ready for concrete. You cannot dig these massive holes by hand.
Tyler had a new auxilery switch installed a week earlier, turns out when I got that torn apart, it only had a loose connection. 30 minutes burned, but we were back to pluggin away on holes.

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We were all done with the holes, but still had to put in and level our cement pad measuring sticks before concrete truck showed up. This should have been easy, but of course, something else had to break.

The charging unit for the Laser was not working and of course it had a dead battery. That laser is sweet though. you just have to stick out a receiving unit and the main base sends signals back and forth. really makes leveling easy. But... it was dead. So my dad rigged up a Water Level and we did it old school. This thing was just as impressive! (come to find out it got each hole within a 1/4 inch... not too bad)

we were about 20 minutes behind schedule, but luckily the driver of the truck was nice and not in a hurry. He actually helped us finish up with the water level.

(one of the below pics is the car charger my dad altered to directly charge the Laser base unit.... crazy guys, i wouldnt even know where to start with that stuff)
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As I metioned, the delivery guy was awesome and since we were about 20 minutes behind, he helped us set everything up for the pours.

These 22 holes were 36 inches wide, 58 inches deep and we put between 10-12 inches of concrete in to make the pad. about 3-4 hours later we were able to set the poles on them.

to get to the west side of the property was quite tight, but he was a great driver and was able to reach 18 out of 22 holes. We wheel barreled the rest.

I called and asked for an extra half yard, bringing my total to 5.5 cubic yards and we ended up being almost a full hole short. Kind of sucked, but we just sent dad to a couple local hardwares to pick up some bag mix. So it took just about 6 yards to finish to complete
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That's gonna be nice!

... But do you really want to rent it out to people like.... well... me?




If you're insistent on renting, put in a poster bed, need someplace to tie the other end of the ropes

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That's gonna be nice!

... But do you really want to rent it out to people like.... well... me?
If you're insistent on renting, put in a poster bed, need someplace to tie the other end of the ropes

haha.. well that is just an idea... down the road.

I am sure I could make it renter proof. haha. or just rent to people like... well.. me!

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We had a quite a few friends over helping with the poles. I only had to provide the lunch, dinner and after beers... so it worked out pretty well.

We were not allowed to backfill any of the holes until after the hole inpsection was complete... so we had to brace the poles and put up pearlings to try to keep them all level. It went well, and we even got the laser working finally.
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Build day 1 in the books

We were able to get all the holes dug, concrete poured, and poles up and braced... I think it was a pretty successful day.

The next day we moved some dirt around to make it easier to backfill when we are finally "allowed" to, and put up a few more peralings.

We then celebrated with Hard Cider, Rasberry Cordial, Beer, and a Bon Fire.
I was pretty dang sore though the rest of the weekend. I am not used to this hard manual labor!

It is now Monday the 15th, I am back in NYC working, Dad will play around on it a bit this week. Then Friday and Saturday I am back at it and we are going to get up the skirting and prep it for the concrete slab.

Tyler suggested we have the slab poured before the trusses and sheeting goes up to make it easier on the masons and will help our when the sky track gets in for trusses.
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Ok, Concrete experts, give me your opinions.

30x60, will have either a 4 post or 2 post lift, heated, will house 3-5 cars, tools, and a pool table.

I am thinking since I will never sell this barn, that I should spend the extra money and get 6 inch all the way around. Should not have to worry about cracks at all, and it will let me put my lift anywhere I decide.

This will be about 34-35 cubic yards of concrete at 6 inches,
at $75 a yard is $2550.

This will be about 23-24 cubic yards of concrete at 4 inches,
at $75 a yard is $1725.

I am thinking for the extra 800 bucks I would rather have the peace of mind that this floor will be perfect for a long long time.



I think i have decided that i will def go with the 6 inch floor....

and Chris got me thinking that I should put a big bowtie in the concrete.... can i flush in a big metal bowtie?
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more toys!

I was able to pick up some neat garage related stuff. My dad works part time out to our High School, good job for a retired guy, he gets to mow sports fields, play in the big garages, and random mechanic work.

Anyway... he has been able to grab me some items from the school that were getting scrapped.

Below are a couple of them,

This stainless sink was just chilling out behind the soccer shed, we brought it home and just washed it with soap and it cleaned right up, I will polish it before we install it in the garage. I think I will get a new large faucet for it, maybe one that is Touch Operated so I can use my arm to turn it on when I am too greasy.

A stack of boards from our Basketball Gym's bleachers. There is a lot of good wood there, plus, I like knowing that I have a part of what I consider, History. Those are the same bleachers that I watched my cousins play District Championships on when I was just a kid and where my parents watched me grow up playing. Thought it was cool.

I think I will use them for the steps going up to the loft, or use them to build some shelves.

I also was able to snag 25 metal shelves, all 18 inches by 48 inches

a Solid oak table that needs refinishing

a 30 inch 3/8ths steel fire ring... have a 48inch on the way!

4 Andersen Windows (double hung, a 2x3, (2) 3x4, and a 3x6)
I think those were the sizes

A standup wall heater

and a stainless steel bowl. hahaha
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I dont' think there are ANY gaurantees on cracking right? Wether 6 inches or not. Maybe I'm wrong.

For the money, I'd go 6 inches though. Peace of mind.

When the guy poured my driveway I asked him what kind of gaurantee I had. He said ........ and I quote....... "I gaurantee it will eventually crack somewhere."
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