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Old 01-17-2012, 12:04 AM   #1
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:19 AM   #2
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The ZL1 hits 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and passes 1320 feet in 12.3 seconds at 119 mph..
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:33 AM   #3
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Do they have a video review at all or no?
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:41 AM   #4
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Good read and the pictures are phenomenal.


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The ZL1 hits 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and passes 1320 feet in 12.3 seconds at 119 mph..
They even admitted when posting these numbers that the track conditions were less than ideal for traction (dusty and cold) and that better numbers are very likely under better conditions. The MPH would indicate there is more potential for a better run. I guess we'll see about that when this car hits the streets. I think someone will post sub 12 second times stock under ideal conditions.
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They did admit that road conditions werent the best either
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:14 AM   #6
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They did admit that road conditions werent the best either


In the article comparing the ZL1 to the Boss 302, they run a better time on the same track. Now granted, this is a pro driver, but the conditions are still the same. He also seemed a lot more impressed than the editor of this article.

"In quarter-mile testing, the Camaro ran through in 12.1 seconds at 117 mph"

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Old 01-17-2012, 02:31 AM   #7
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:36 AM   #8
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0-60 in 3.8 sec and 1/4 mile time of 12.1 sec @ 117 mph on a sandy cold desert track from the Motor Trend test and much better than the 4.1 sec 0-60 and 12.3 sec 1/4 mile times from Car and Driver on the same track.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:43 AM   #9
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The frontal section of the Camaro has a lot to do with this also, I remember reading a while ago about the Camaros' in the Rolex and Continental GT series having an issue in standard front end form with reaching top speed at Daytona Speedway on the long straights as compared to the older Pontiac bodies they replaced.
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Good read and the pictures are phenomenal.




They even admitted when posting these numbers that the track conditions were less than ideal for traction (dusty and cold) and that better numbers are very likely under better conditions. The MPH would indicate there is more potential for a better run. I guess we'll see about that when this car hits the streets. I think someone will post sub 12 second times stock under ideal conditions.
Exactly!! If you see the Boss / ZL1 comparison it says 0-60 in 3.8 secs
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:32 AM   #11
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http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-1...1-photo-437207

Car is getting air in this pic. Sweet
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:04 AM   #12
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lol that ain't sweet
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:10 AM   #13
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Can't help but notice that the car should be faster if you use the drag times calculator for horsepower 12.1 @ 117 at a weight of 4300 comes in at 508 flywheel horsepower
http://www.dragtimes.com/horsepower-...power+Estimate
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11.6 at 123 mph is 584 flywheel horsepower I wonder if that is the ideal conditions time
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Keep in mind that the track surface was cold and dusty.
I expect repeatable 3.8-3.9 0-60 times. Quarter mile times should be 11.9-12.0 at 118 mph on a good surface with a experienced driver.
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It seems like 12.1 - 12.3 on a pure stock setup in less than ideal conditions should translate into Hi-Mid 11's with drag tires at a decent track. The ZL1 IS going to be an AWESOME icon to own. Anyway you look at it, I think the Motor Trend pro driver comments told the story, that despite the Boss 302 being the best Mustang ever built, it's a generation behind the ZL1:

"The Camaro clearly came out on top of this fight. Although the Boss 302 is probably the best Mustang ever built, it just feels and performs like it's a generation behind. Randy summed it up: "The Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca was my favorite American musclecar -- until today." It isn't the lack of power; it isn't the lack of amenities. It's simply a lack of technology. The Camaro is the benchmark for a new class of vehicle. Call it the Power Pony, the Warhorse -- the name isn't important. What is important is ZL1's on-demand attitude. Supercar levels of performance, with the daily driving comfort of a GT, wrapped in a nostalgic package."



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It seems like 12.1 - 12.3 on a pure stock setup in less than ideal conditions should translate into Hi-Mid 11's with drag tires at a decent track. The ZL1 IS going to be an AWESOME icon to own. Anyway you look at it, I think the Motor Trend pro driver comments told the story, that despite the Boss 302 being the best Mustang ever built, it's a generation behind the ZL1:

"The Camaro clearly came out on top of this fight. Although the Boss 302 is probably the best Mustang ever built, it just feels and performs like it's a generation behind. Randy summed it up: "The Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca was my favorite American musclecar -- until today." It isn't the lack of power; it isn't the lack of amenities. It's simply a lack of technology. The Camaro is the benchmark for a new class of vehicle. Call it the Power Pony, the Warhorse -- the name isn't important. What is important is ZL1's on-demand attitude. Supercar levels of performance, with the daily driving comfort of a GT, wrapped in a nostalgic package."
Coming from a Pro driver, that's quite a great statement and speaks to the hard work Team CAMARO has put into our beloved car. Those 'Stang boys aren't laying down though.

BTW - are those Corsa tires street tires, or competition tires? I thought they were competition tires, but I'm not really finding that's the case. Regardless - that a car with a 400-pound weight penalty can come away, at that track (I still maintain certain tracks might yield different results), is quite a feat. I'm sure ZL1, and CAMARO, are only going to improve
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:06 PM   #18
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In the article comparing the ZL1 to the Boss 302, they run a better time on the same track. Now granted, this is a pro driver, but the conditions are still the same. He also seemed a lot more impressed than the editor of this article.

"In quarter-mile testing, the Camaro ran through in 12.1 seconds at 117 mph"

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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...2_laguna_seca/

Reading the Motortrend article and the CarandDriver article back to back and thinking back to Mark Reuss' comments after the ring video was released, it appears the ZL1 is indeed an "EASY" car to drive fast...that's very rewarding in itself. The suspension also seems to be very well praised by every magazine. I think if one wants a little more acceleration, a pulley swap should do the trick quite nicely.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #19
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It appears Motortrend squeezed 3.8 sec out of the ZL1's 0-60mph time, but they are wrong on the wheels being "cast"...that type of error makes me question their performance figures as well...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...71&188,shopper
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It appears Motortrend squeezed 3.8 sec out of the ZL1's 0-60mph time, but they are wrong on the wheels being "cast"...that type of error makes me question their performance figures as well...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...71&188,shopper
I honestly don't expect to see repeatable 3.8 60's. I see the point about the cast vs forged comments but that's one of the smaller details easy to overlook. Even GM was saying HID foglights at introduction a year ago, so I'm not too surprised. I'm more interested in what the circumstances were for the test and what the equipment was more than anything.

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Did I read that correctly a NO LIFT SHIFT? That is the first I have heard of that on the ZL1. Pretty sweet.
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I honestly don't expect to see repeatable 3.8 60's. I see the point about the cast vs forged comments but that's one of the smaller details easy to overlook. Even GM was saying HID foglights at introduction a year ago, so I'm not too surprised. I'm more interested in what the circumstances were for the test and what the equipment was more than anything.

JMVHO.
The cts-v's do o-60 in 3.9-4.0 secs repeatable in many mag tests.
The zl-1 weighs 100-150 lbs less.
The ZL-1 has 24hp more.
PTM.
Taller tires
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I do expect repeatable 3.8s.
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Did I read that correctly a NO LIFT SHIFT? That is the first I have heard of that on the ZL1. Pretty sweet.
That is pretty sweet.
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Did I read that correctly a NO LIFT SHIFT? That is the first I have heard of that on the ZL1. Pretty sweet.
What is this new feature you speak of... this NO LIFT SHIFT?
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