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Old 02-02-2012, 05:48 AM   #1
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Camaro ZL1 (vs GT-R) Review by Road & Track



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Old 02-02-2012, 06:27 AM   #2
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Prepare for the comments about the ZL1 being only 2.8 seconds slower than the GT-R on this track....
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:34 AM   #3
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Like comparing an apple and an orange. All in all, great showing for the ZL1 against a GTR that is $40K more.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:49 AM   #4
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Thanks for posting this. Both are great, but very different cars. Its hard to beat AWD with that much power.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:05 AM   #5
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Overall good review and if you want a ZL1 faster than a GTR, you need to spend $90k plus - that's the bottom line.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:18 AM   #6
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The ZL1 is "more comfortable", "more rewarding", and "less video game-ish". Damnit...I was planning to wait for the 2013's, but all of this is NOT helping.

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:33 AM   #7
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Another confirmation that the ZL1 is hands down, the more desirable street machine; It suggests, that had it might have had AWD, it might not have been bested by the GTR. And, on a somewhat hotter day, the ZL1 just might accomplish that feat without such additional aids. Comfort? Pleasure to drive? ZL1 seemed like a 10 - 1 favorite. In all, the reviewer seemed to find the most enjoyment provided by the Mighty ZL1!
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:38 AM   #8
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The ZL1 is "more comfortable", "more rewarding", and "less video game-ish". Damnit...I was planning to wait for the 2013's, but all of this is NOT helping.

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:42 AM   #9
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Was that a 2012 gtr? If so that is impressive. That provides me evidence that the zl1 can out run the 2009 thru 2010 model gtrs
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:55 AM   #10
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Was that a 2012 gtr? If so that is impressive. That provides me evidence that the zl1 can out run the 2009 thru 2010 model gtrs

How so?

2009 GTR Nurburgring 7:39 2010-7.26

I can't wait to get my hands on my ZL1,but lets not go overboard.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:05 AM   #11
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Another confirmation that the ZL1 is hands down, the more desirable street machine; It suggests, that had it might have had AWD, it might not have been bested by the GTR. And, on a somewhat hotter day, the ZL1 just might accomplish that feat without such additional aids. Comfort? Pleasure to drive? ZL1 seemed like a 10 - 1 favorite. In all, the reviewer seemed to find the most enjoyment provided by the Mighty ZL1!

I agree with these statements, they were basically going to be my comment. It would be interesting to see how they compare on a warmer day and if ZL1 had AWD that would really be interesting.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:14 AM   #12
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The only question I have about this video is, what in God's name is in that guys forehead?!
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:23 AM   #13
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Love the review - just what I was looking for. A car you can drive every day and enjoy and take out on the track or open road course and have a great performer. Looks to me like Chevy got this just about perfect.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:33 AM   #14
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Was that a 2012 gtr? If so that is impressive. That provides me evidence that the zl1 can out run the 2009 thru 2010 model gtrs
Umm, no.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:38 AM   #15
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I did think it interesting to notice that there was snow on the streets when they made the street pictures (pretty place) and they mentioned the temperature on the track - below the temp that you are actually supposed to drive the tires that come on the ZL1. I don't know what tires come on the GTR, but I know the summer tires do not hold at all in these temps. I think the ZL1 had a great showing all things considered.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:40 AM   #16
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Was that a 2012 gtr? If so that is impressive. That provides me evidence that the zl1 can out run the 2009 thru 2010 model gtrs
...and that would be bench racing.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:41 AM   #17
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How so?

2009 GTR Nurburgring 7:39 2010-7.26

I can't wait to get my hands on my ZL1,but lets not go overboard.
No your right, that was a bit overboard...
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:57 AM   #18
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The ZL1 is "more comfortable", "more rewarding", and "less video game-ish". Damnit...I was planning to wait for the 2013's, but all of this is NOT helping.

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This is a very nice review for the ZL1. I've said before, I don't get too caught up in the numbers, although I think the ZL1 did a very respectable job against that monster with a big traction disadvantage in 40F weather. The part of the review that I enjoy are the comments on the driving dynamics and personality of the car. This review gave me a lot of confidence that the ZL1 is going to be a very pleasurable and rewarding car to own.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:14 AM   #19
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The only question I have about this video is, what in God's name is in that guys forehead?!
So glad I am not the only one to think that!

And, I say this with respect for the GTR and it's performance...but is it just me or does that thing look dated already. Yes, I know that the fifth gen is a rehash of the gen 1 Camaro...but it still looks great to me a full 6 years after we first saw the concept. The GTR just looks like...meh?
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So glad I am not the only one to think that!

And, I say this with respect for the GTR and it's performance...but is it just me or does that thing look dated already. Yes, I know that the fifth gen is a rehash of the gen 1 Camaro...but it still looks great to me a full 6 years after we first saw the concept. The GTR just looks like...meh?
Yes, regardless of the great performance of the GTR it has never appeared on my radar. Seeing it next to the ZL1 makes it look even worse.

I would have liked them to compare the feel of the GTR’s ‘video game’ handling to the ZL1’s various PTM modes. They could have at least mentioned which PTM mode they were running in the comparison (assuming it was 5 due to the way the car looked in the videos).
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM   #21
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I think this is a great review for the ZL-1. Yes the GTR is faster, but you're paying so much more for that speed. For Chevrolet to build a car under 60k and can complete with vehicles that are at or well over 6 figures is a huge acomplishment.
The ZL-1 gives the average Joe the ability to have a fun weekend racer and not go completely broke doing it.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:59 AM   #22
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2 seconds slower than a $100,000 AWD computer. Yea ill take that with no compalints.

Now bring on the GT500svtpp enought with beating around the bush.
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100k or not, 2.8 is a butt whooping. Still kinda unsure why the comparison between the 2? Considering the gtr was aimed at the ZR1, But all in all it was a good review for the zl1.
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100k or not, 2.8 is a butt whooping. Still kinda unsure why the comparison between the 2? Considering the gtr was aimed at the ZR1, But all in all it was a good review for the zl1.
It's a butt whooping similar to the one the ZL1 put on the Boss 302 LS and the difference in price between those cars is around $7-8k, not $40k.

And not to make excuses, but the traction benefits of the GTR's AWD is significantly multiplied versus the ZL1 due to the 40F weather. You can't expect a rear wheel drive monster with high performance tires to easily maintain traction in those conditions.

I'd expect a convincing victory every time for the GTR, but in better conditions the ZL1 would narrow the gap.
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