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Old 02-16-2012, 03:42 PM   #1
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The National Road Test - ZL1 is a supercar at a budget price

I just came across this road test review and thought I would post a link. Here's something interesting from the article...

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Old 02-16-2012, 03:51 PM   #2
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Wow! Another positive report from someone who actually drove the car. I can hardly wait until they get into the hands of people familiar with Camaros and able to drive them. Hoorah for Chevrolet!
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I just came across this road test review and thought I would post a link. Here's something interesting from the article...



http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/...a-budget-price
I certainly hope they do warranty the car if it raced. And leaving it totally stock, with no modifications, is certainly a fair requirement by the manufacturer to honor the warranty. This would be the only right thing for GM to do, since the car has been heavily advertised as a race car, barely street legal, with extensive video tape showing what it can do on a drag strip or road course under all out race conditions.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:51 AM   #4
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I just came across this road test review and thought I would post a link. Here's something interesting from the article...



http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/...a-budget-price
That's great if they keep the warranty for track days. Good review too.
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And, finally a review from an AutoMagic Tranny! He said he liked it! All right!

I think I detect a bit of a grin starting to form...... (you guys with the sticks, I'll wait for ya at the next pit stop - if my gas holds out!)
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I certainly hope they do warranty the car if it raced. And leaving it totally stock, with no modifications, is certainly a fair requirement by the manufacturer to honor the warranty. This would be the only right thing for GM to do, since the car has been heavily advertised as a race car, barely street legal, with extensive video tape showing what it can do on a drag strip or road course under all out race conditions.

I like the way you think. But historically,GM has not warrantied tracked cars. I'd like to know who the guy who did this article got his info from because I haven't seen anything from GM stating what he said about the warranty.
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I like the way you think. But historically,GM has not warrantied tracked cars. I'd like to know who the guy who did this article got his info from because I haven't seen anything from GM stating what he said about the warranty.
Thats true, I agree with you. But, lets take this thought and run with it if I may....if GM does not warranty the car under "normal racing conditions" <> as they videotaped and advertised all over the airwaves and cyberspace, then it will be a big kick in the teeth for ZL1 owners. The advertisements set precedence and are unlike anything ever produced for a factory car. What good will it be, after seeing how "engineers dream in milliseconds", then take the car out on a track and tune it to tear up the earth..., only to then not offer a warranty to those who will do the same at the drag strip or road race course like the engineers and factory drivers starring in the commercials?
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Lol. $60,000 grand muscle car and budget dont belong in the same sentence.
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Lol. $60,000 grand muscle car and budget dont belong in the same sentence.
The point is for a vehicle with near supercar performance, this is indeed a budget buy. How many cars do you know of that perform at the level of the ZL1 and are below $60k? It admittedly doesn't have the most luxurious interior with the most prestigious nameplate, but that's not where the value of this vehicle is.

Linked below is a list of cars that ran the ring. The ZL1 ran it in 7:41. Try looking up the prices of all the cars listed in the link below and tell me that the ZL1 is not serious performance on a budget.

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The point is for a vehicle with near supercar performance, this is indeed a budget buy. How many cars do you know of that perform at the level of the ZL1 and are below $60k? It admittedly doesn't have the most luxurious interior with the most prestigious nameplate, but that's not where the value of this vehicle is.

Linked below is a list of cars that ran the ring. The ZL1 ran it in 7:41. Try looking up the prices of all the cars listed in the link below and tell me that the ZL1 is not serious performance on a budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...legal_vehicles
Ya, it runs competitive times with $200,000 to $300,000 cars, that's impressive. I'd like to meet some Ferrari's or Lambo's at a road coarse and show em what's up.
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There is no "shaved tires" conspiracy. "Almost treadless" is relative.

For example, relative to an Ultra Grip Performance tire, I can see how someone could characterize the F1 Supercar G2 tire as "almost treadless."

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I certainly hope they do warranty the car if it raced. And leaving it totally stock, with no modifications, is certainly a fair requirement by the manufacturer to honor the warranty. This would be the only right thing for GM to do, since the car has been heavily advertised as a race car, barely street legal, with extensive video tape showing what it can do on a drag strip or road course under all out race conditions.
I breezed through the owners manual for the ZL! and there are about ten or so pages of things that an owner has to do before taking it to the track. mostly fluid changes brake pad break ins and the overall engine break in process. i think these things will be a determining factor in whether or not warranty coverage will apply with track use track use.
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Heres the specs on the F1 G2 Supercar Goodyears..... http://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/...1-supercar-g2#
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The GOODYEAR tires that come on the ZL1 are RUN FLATS... ?
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The point is for a vehicle with near supercar performance, this is indeed a budget buy. How many cars do you know of that perform at the level of the ZL1 and are below $60k? It admittedly doesn't have the most luxurious interior with the most prestigious nameplate, but that's not where the value of this vehicle is.

Linked below is a list of cars that ran the ring. The ZL1 ran it in 7:41. Try looking up the prices of all the cars listed in the link below and tell me that the ZL1 is not serious performance on a budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...legal_vehicles
Well said and nicely played with sources to back it up. Thats how we should all be arguing our perspectives, with links backing up our claims. Hate when people throw out ridiculous claims without supporting facts.
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Another great report on the ZL1.
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The GOODYEAR tires that come on the ZL1 are RUN FLATS... ?
Good question. I read that too but is the first I've heard of it. It came straight from Goodyear's website though so

In a way, it would be nice with not having a spare but I've never heard anything good about run flats as far as performance is concerned. But it appears if these tires truly are run flat that they figured something out because these tires seem to great performance tires.
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The point is for a vehicle with near supercar performance, this is indeed a budget buy. How many cars do you know of that perform at the level of the ZL1 and are below $60k? It admittedly doesn't have the most luxurious interior with the most prestigious nameplate, but that's not where the value of this vehicle is.

Linked below is a list of cars that ran the ring. The ZL1 ran it in 7:41. Try looking up the prices of all the cars listed in the link below and tell me that the ZL1 is not serious performance on a budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...legal_vehicles

Lol I know the ZL1 has comparable specs or better than some of the crazy expensive super cars, for much less money. but in my head someone buying a $60,000 ZL1 is not worried about "budget" issues, they are obviously doing quite well, if they are even entertaining the idea. same as a person who can afford a $200,000 super car.
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Lol I know the ZL1 has comparable specs or better than some of the crazy expensive super cars, for much less money. but in my head someone buying a $60,000 ZL1 is not worried about "budget" issues, they are obviously doing quite well, if they are even entertaining the idea. same as a person who can afford a $200,000 super car.
The Camaro, while not inexpensive is most certainly a budget car as the price is easy to calculate with a few set options. Buy yourself a Lamborghini or Ferrari and you'll quickly realize listed prices are at best an estimated starting point and the sky is the limit. A case of if you have to ask the price you can't afford it.

Another great write-up. Can't wait to snag a ride in one of these.
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Lol I know the ZL1 has comparable specs or better than some of the crazy expensive super cars, for much less money. but in my head someone buying a $60,000 ZL1 is not worried about "budget" issues, they are obviously doing quite well, if they are even entertaining the idea. same as a person who can afford a $200,000 super car.

I understand what you are saying, but it's all relative. There are those that think the $120k ZR1 is a budget supercar (and compared to many other high priced exotics, it is). It really just depends on your perspective and financial means I guess.
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There is no "shaved tires" conspiracy. "Almost treadless" is relative.

For example, relative to an Ultra Grip Performance tire, I can see how someone could characterize the F1 Supercar G2 tire as "almost treadless."

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Sorry, 'Bear - I had to edit and take a little trash out. I wanted to leave your content though, because it was definately valid.
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I understand what you are saying, but it's all relative. There are those that think the $120k ZR1 is a budget supercar (and compared to many other high priced exotics, it is). It really just depends on your perspective and financial means I guess.
Exactly right. Like for me. The ZL1 is damn expensive. To someone with a thick billfold, easy peasy.
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Sorry, 'Bear - I had to edit and take a little trash out. I wanted to leave your content though, because it was definately valid.
Not a problem rad. It appears as though it has been a busy morning on several threads with regard to some annoying litter.
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