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Old 03-16-2012, 01:36 PM   #1
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Big HP manual cars... step inside....

For any of you guys running the manual transmission and having trouble getting it into gear...

I may have found the solution...

I will be adding to this as time goes on.... Install issues, shifter location modifications, comfort to drive etc...

This transmission is filled front to back with 9310 components... gears, shaft etc... It has the Corvette style triple cone synchros, and lots of other internal goodies...

The magic of this one is the fully enclosed tail shaft housing... The shifter is internal.... This eliminates the risk of engine/trans torque motion from placing stress and forces on the shifter...

My aftermarket shifter bolted to the trans tail shaft housing, then to the transmission tunnel.

Under heavy loading of hard pulls in any gear, the torque twisting effect of the engine is transferred directly into the trans and consequently it allows the shifter housing to move around, which could cause the shifter to pop out of gear or to be hard to get it into gear....

With the fully enclosed shifter mechanism, there are no external forces acting on the shifter lever other than the drivers inputs....

We just recieved it at my builders shop, and I'm still offshore on an oil rig... but I'll update the progress as we go and write up my impressions when we get her on the road...

This trans is not for the faint of heart... It's pricey, but should handle anything we throw at it... and allow you to retain the feel of the manual trans you originally wanted and bought...

The shifter pivot point is 3.5 inches further back than on the stock 6060 and so it will require some interior modification to the center console, but it's worth it to me to finally be able to drive it really really hard without worrying about grinding it into gear just because.... I was at the point of it grinding about 60-70 percent of the time going into 4th gear on the street.. and 95+ % going into 2nd and 4th on the track...

I ordered the tail shaft housing and the steel SFI rated scatter shield with it and it comes with the midplate to cross over from the trans housing to the bell housing...

I know my car might be a touch faster with an automatic, but a manual is what I like driving and it's what I'll stick with... and to date the quickest 5th Gen Camaro there is has a manual trans... Go Black Pig...

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nice robert! do you mind PMing me info on where you got the transmission from? Were turning up the boost next week when i get my axles back.
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For any of you guys running the manual transmission and having trouble getting it into gear...

I may have found the solution...

I will be adding to this as time goes on.... Install issues, shifter location modifications, comfort to drive etc...

This transmission is filled front to back with 9310 components... gears, shaft etc... It has the Corvette style triple cone synchros, and lots of other internal goodies...

The magic of this one is the fully enclosed tail shaft housing... The shifter is internal.... This eliminates the risk of engine/trans torque motion from placing stress and forces on the shifter...

My aftermarket shifter bolted to the trans tail shaft housing, then to the transmission tunnel.

Under heavy loading of hard pulls in any gear, the torque twisting effect of the engine is transferred directly into the trans and consequently it allows the shifter housing to move around, which could cause the shifter to pop out of gear or to be hard to get it into gear....

With the fully enclosed shifter mechanism, there are no external forces acting on the shifter lever other than the drivers inputs....

We just recieved it at my builders shop, and I'm still offshore on an oil rig... but I'll update the progress as we go and write up my impressions when we get her on the road...

This trans is not for the faint of heart... It's pricey, but should handle anything we throw at it... and allow you to retain the feel of the manual trans you originally wanted and bought...

The shifter pivot point is 3.5 inches further back than on the stock 6060 and so it will require some interior modification to the center console, but it's worth it to me to finally be able to drive it really really hard without worrying about grinding it into gear just because.... I was at the point of it grinding about 60-70 percent of the time going into 4th gear on the street.. and 95+ % going into 2nd and 4th on the track...

I ordered the tail shaft housing and the steel SFI rated scatter shield with it and it comes with the midplate to cross over from the trans housing to the bell housing...

I know my car might be a touch faster with an automatic, but a manual is what I like driving and it's what I'll stick with... and to date the quickest 5th Gen Camaro there is has a manual trans... Go Black Pig...

Stay Tuned
I'm with you all the way man. No way in hell am I putting an automatic in my vehicle I don't give a rats ass how easy it is to drive or how much of an illusion it is that it's faster.
I can't wait to see more details.
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I'm with you all the way man. No way in hell am I putting an automatic in my vehicle I don't give a rats ass how easy it is to drive or how much of an illusion it is that it's faster.
I can't wait to see more details.
+1 lol only reason i would get an auto is if my left leg became paralyzed!
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+1 lol only reason i would get an auto is if my left leg became paralyzed!
My new clutch is so strong now my left calf is growing.
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Speedster car isnt done yet...
Hence why I mentioned to date.... and for that matter neither is Brandi...
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Pics uploaded.. What I have so far... I'll be home two weeks from yesterday... so I'll certainly have more then...

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nice robert! do you mind PMing me info on where you got the transmission from? Were turning up the boost next week when i get my axles back.
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I'm with you all the way man. No way in hell am I putting an automatic in my vehicle I don't give a rats ass how easy it is to drive or how much of an illusion it is that it's faster.
I can't wait to see more details.
When I took the last drive after the newly rebuilt trans after we installed the nine inch kit... I was pissed to say the least... Not at my builder, but at the trans... I told him that in no uncertain terms... I wanted the bellhousing, the shafts, the gears, the synchros, the case, the tailshaft housing, and anything bolted to or in the trans out of my car... FOREVER... I didn't want a single piece of it back... That turd (my builder)said he had a fix TEMPORARILY for me... He bought a brand new TR6060 from GM, the local Chevy dealer and installed it in my car... That's Customer Service at it's finest... HE BOUGHT it... He tried to tell me he needed to have a shop spare anyway... yeah right<<< dripping with sarcasm...

I remembered a conversation I had with GTAHVIT after he got back from PRI in Florida... so I contacted Chris, found a company and name and called this company... and several others... All of which were understanding and great help...

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+1 lol only reason i would get an auto is if my left leg became paralyzed!
Or if this transmission doesn't fix my shifting issues...





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I may look at a sequential or Faceplated trans if this one doesn't work... but I have utmost confidence it will....Could you imagine a 2010 Camaro with a Lenco and five or six shifter handles sticking up...

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Oh my, that is so loaded with one liners I could fire off, but I'll leave it alone in the interest of this thread...



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Note the length of the tailshaft housing... and the fact that the shifter bolts directly to the housing... All of the linkage and mounting points are internal and as mentioned before, there are no external torque or flex forces placed on the shifter housing or internals, other than the drivers inputs...

Here is part of the deal with this one... note the length of the tail shaft housing...

The pivot point for the shifter is 3.5 inches further back than the stock shifter location... I think it's going to end up in a better position than stock for racing... Race cars have the steering wheels and shifters close to the body, not at arms length... It will require some internal modifications to the trans tunnel and center console... Pics will be forthcoming as the project progresses...

It will also require rebuilding, modifying the cross member trans support at the rear of the trans...

How extensive is that, I'm not sure yet... but we will make it work...
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Subscribed!!! Way to stick with the manual RobertI,ve been watching your build thread for a while and I still plan on using your builder for my mods when I finally recieve everything, he sounds like an awesome dude and knows what he is doing.
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Any reason why you didn't go the route of having the TR6060 rebuilt to the max? That was the route I was going in eventually.
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i did like the manual, but was to inconsistant on launching and car was not liking slow traffic with the cam...after the slave cylinder blew and left me stranded on the side of road , and only way to repair it was remove the tranny, that was the clincher...good luck with the stick, but imo the auto is way more constant and user friendly in 1000 hp car, and not likely leave you at the tree with a blown slave/clutch or tailshaft..getting fixed or towed home from a 500mile trip..imo
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Frank,

Did you see my note in the other thread about hacking up your driveshaft...

This one has a u-joint output piece... Once the trans is mounted, we measure center to center and have to cut the shaft to length, and then have the appropriate yoke welded on and re-balanced...

In the interest of saving time, we are considering using the shop in San Antonio that does my builders work... Thrash Driveshafts...

We can measure it, drop the shaft off and have it back the next day... They also do high speed balancing... though I don't know if they do the quality of work you guys do....

If you would rather I send you the shaft... we could pre-ship it, along with my old take-off axles, and then call you with the measurements and let you guys do the work and then send it back... Let me know...



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Subscribed!!! Way to stick with the manual RobertI,ve been watching your build thread for a while and I still plan on using your builder for my mods when I finally recieve everything, he sounds like an awesome dude and knows what he is doing.
you know it brother... I'm a fan of the manual trans, always have been, always will be...

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Any reason why you didn't go the route of having the TR6060 rebuilt to the max? That was the route I was going in eventually.
The company that builds these has done the work based on the T56 for several years and already have it engineered to a T...

Personally, I'm comfortable with a proven design since I am a guinea pig for this trans in the 5th Gen...

Everybody... Remember, This is a pricey option but if it works, it's worth every penny in my mind...
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i did like the manual, but was to inconsistant on launching and car was not liking slow traffic with the cam...after the slave cylinder blew and left me stranded on the side of road , and only way to repair it was remove the tranny, that was the clincher...good luck with the stick, but imo the auto is way more constant and user friendly in 1000 hp car, and not likely leave you at the tree with a blown slave/clutch or tailshaft..getting fixed or towed home from a 500mile trip..imo
Mike,

I hear you and respect your input... Brandi was on the trailer after being stranded in the middle of nowhere West Texas on the way to the Fest... 500 miles on the trailer after limping along for well over 200 to our overnight stop...

I've had lots of people tell me I should bite the bullet and go auto... but I'm kinda hard headed... and if I can figure out a viable option for others, then so be it... some may not want to pony up the cash, others may not want to hack up the inside of their car... But I really want to make this work...

As for broken shafts... The factory trans is rated for something on the order of 480 HP... IIRC... this one is rated for 1200 HP and 1K ft/lbs...

The shafts (all of them) are 9310 material as are all the gears... Everything is micropolished and the gears have a non standard cut, making them stronger... They are possibly a little bit louder than stock.. but that remains to be seen...
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i did like the manual, but was to inconsistant on launching and car was not liking slow traffic with the cam...after the slave cylinder blew and left me stranded on the side of road , and only way to repair it was remove the tranny, that was the clincher...good luck with the stick, but imo the auto is way more constant and user friendly in 1000 hp car, and not likely leave you at the tree with a blown slave/clutch or tailshaft..getting fixed or towed home from a 500mile trip..imo
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Mike,

I hear you and respect your input... Brandi was on the trailer after being stranded in the middle of nowhere West Texas on the way to the Fest... 500 miles on the trailer after limping along for well over 200 to our overnight stop...

I've had lots of people tell me I should bite the bullet and go auto... but I'm kinda hard headed... and if I can figure out a viable option for others, then so be it... some may not want to pony up the cash, others may not want to hack up the inside of their car... But I really want to make this work...
Same happened to me. I was lucky though the slave busted when we were doing road tuning after installing the new engine.
In my case I think it may be due to the slave seizing up after sitting around so long after removing the old engine, waiting for the new one to arrive.

The clutch I have was specifically designed to work with the stock slave, unlike a lot of other clutches floating around, and vendors don't tell you to buy a different slave or spacers. A good example is the ZR1 clutch, if you put that on a vehicle with stock slave, it's going to break eventually.
A ZR1 clutch is made for a ZR1, a ZR1 has a ZR1 slave. I've noticed also Mcleod sells spacers and slave, which tends me to believe you have to purchase that to work correctly with the Mcleod.

The TR6060 is much stronger than stock A6, and with hardened internals it should hold up quite well to 1000rwhp. the thing is will the upgrades resolve the sticking / grinding shifts? Based on what I'm reading in the thread that issue is caused from the shifter component being external to the TR6060 and movement of the shifter assembly.
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i think my pronlem is , i feel gun shy at the track and the driveability of stoplight and slow traffic {cam}...i know of at least 4 people with blown slaves and that is a pain to repair...i know my twin disc is up to the task, also know 2 people who have broke there tailshafts...that has not happened in awhile and i believe gm took car of the tailshaft problem..so i do have the 4l80 going in when we get to that point..i believe the tranny is a solid tranny, but the weaklink is the slave cylinder and the drivabilty when getting into the high hp range..i will def miss shifting but not miss the 3mph lunges going thru parking lots and traffic..lol
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The TR6060 is much stronger than stock A6, and with hardened internals it should hold up quite well to 1000rwhp. the thing is will the upgrades resolve the sticking / grinding shifts? Based on what I'm reading in the thread that issue is caused from the shifter component being external to the TR6060 and movement of the shifter assembly.
That's our conclusion.... So, I'm hoping this fix's my problem..

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i think my pronlem is , i feel gun shy at the track and the driveability of stoplight and slow traffic {cam}...i know of at least 4 people with blown slaves and that is a pain to repair...i know my twin disc is up to the task, also know 2 people who have broke there tailshafts...that has not happened in awhile and i believe gm took car of the tailshaft problem..so i do have the 4l80 going in when we get to that point..i believe the tranny is a solid tranny, but the weaklink is the slave cylinder and the drivabilty when getting into the high hp range..i will def miss shifting but not miss the 3mph lunges going thru parking lots and traffic..lol
A big lumpy cam can make driving less than fun...
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not actually so sure that its not the injectors that is the culprit,,,when you start pushing the 650-1000lb injectors, they spray more fuel and less frequent causing it to almost try to load the engine at low rpm...instead of a constant low flow of fuel..its a trade off if you need the tuel for 1k hp..
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a good tuner can make a big nasty cam with huge injectors on a 1000 rwhp car run like stock for the most part!
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For the most part yes, but if you have a pretty narrow LSA, it's a fight...

My car for example has a cam with a 121 LSA and there is almost no lope what-so-ever...
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Ha.... my LSA is about 114, she's pretty tough to drive in stop / go traffic, but nasty as hell on the open road.
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I bet... The nice thing about my cam is it is almost stock like driving it at slow speeds, and it like yours is nasty at wide open throttle... but then the fateful.... grindddd of trying to get the next gear....

That's what I'm trying to fix here... We'll see..
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PM me the manufacturer please. Good Luck with it, I hope it works out for you.
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