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Old 05-04-2009, 10:20 AM   #1
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She LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1986 Camaro + 99 LS1 from a Formula Firebird + carb conversion + open manifolds = fun.

the beginning


after the stock motor and trans was pulled.... nice lift on the front....





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idle adjust. as it turns out, Josh didnt set the fuel pressure regulator right and it was overflowing the carb. dialed it back down to 7 psi and fine tuning the idle




still got some cosmetic stuff to finish up. gotta get into the shop and fab up some brackets for the coilpacks as well as chop the throttle bracket down so we can fit the air cleaner on the car. then tuck the wires away and clean it all up. we've got a pair of cherry bomb glass packs ordered for the exhaust... straight off the stock manifolds dumping right behind the front tires. stay tuned
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after watching the start up vid.... I just noticed the red car in the background flying by... stopping hard, then backing up to check things out. lol
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after watching the start up vid.... I just noticed the red car in the background flying by... stopping hard, then backing up to check things out. lol
You looked right at the red car, in the video...
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You looked right at the red car, in the video...
yeah... but my mind was on other things when we shot the footage...
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:26 PM   #6
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Cool stuff Spike....

What made you decide on Edelbrock for the induction?

That car will surprise a few people.
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Because they are the kings of all things topside of the engine for the SBC.

This is what I'm starting to consider for my third gen. Make sure to keep me in the loop, I want to see this thing develop.
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Cool stuff Spike....

What made you decide on Edelbrock for the induction?

That car will surprise a few people.
budget really. we've spent too much on this setup IMO. for all the expenses combined, to me, there's not much showing for it. but I like crazy setups too.

as for the edelbrock stuff, the intake manifold and MSD box had just come into the scene after we had pulled the motor apart for the rebuild. and instead of spending another thousand or more for the pcm, wiring harness, injectors, rails, new fuel pump, etc. Josh showed me this setup and it was only like $650.00 for the intake and MSD box. there's another version out there now, this one uses chips to "tune" it for different cam specs. the newer version actually has a hook up so that you can do live tuning on it.

the carb was just a spare one I had sitting around. I would have preferred to go with a holley (more tuneability IMO), but we had the Eddie and money was some what of a concern, so we used it. we are going to go with this combo for a little while. after the summer we are replacing the rear end with a Strange S60. after I blow up the stocker that is.

then the plan is to move on and build an LSX 454.



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they are good for a lot of stuff for the top end of todays engines. some things are better/cheaper depending on where you go.

but if you want some more info about the build, let me know. ive got a few more pics and a detailed build plan for every thing.
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Nice Spike.

Now that is what Hot Rodding is all about !!!

I know where there will be a spare L99/LS3 soon...
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Now that is what Hot Rodding is all about !!!

I know where there will be a spare L99/LS3 soon...
which one? lol I'm actually wanting to play with both, but from a tuning standpoint, im intrigued more by the L99. as for the 86, we are actually planning on a 454 LSX sometime in the future.... running about 13:1 cr on 105 octane and a meth kit.... should be fun
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which one? lol I'm actually wanting to play with both, but from a tuning standpoint, im intrigued more by the L99. as for the 86, we are actually planning on a 454 LSX sometime in the future.... running about 13:1 cr on 105 octane and a meth kit.... should be fun
The L99 from my car.

Only 13:1....holy crap. Nice. Crisp.
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Only 13:1....holy crap. Nice. Crisp.
well, I already know an LS3 will fit nicely into a 4th gen. might have to take an L99 and drop it into the 78 LT....
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Got a rough estimate on HP, and what kind of transmission you use T-56
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with the cam we threw in, we are hoping for 400 at the crank. we are using a 700R4/4L60. we will dyno it with the stock rear, but the plans are already in work for a Strange S60 rear end to get installed in the fall.
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updates... she moves under her own power.... for 3 blocks...

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they are good for a lot of stuff for the top end of todays engines. some things are better/cheaper depending on where you go.

but if you want some more info about the build, let me know. ive got a few more pics and a detailed build plan for every thing.
I'm interested in a detailed build plan, just to look at it.. you can PM me if you want.

We are thinking of doing an LS1 Swap in our 69 Camaro, and while it is just something being considered for in the future, I haven't done a whole lot of research yet to see how much cheaper/easier it would be to do a carb conversion with an LS1 Vs getting all the wirring/computer stuff needed when swapping everything into a 1st gen...any insight on this? (obviously not directly related to th 1st gen, just the swap in general)

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We are thinking of doing an LS1 Swap in our 69 Camaro, and while it is just something being considered for in the future, I haven't done a whole lot of research yet to see how much cheaper/easier it would be to do a carb conversion with an LS1 Vs getting all the wirring/computer stuff needed when swapping everything into a 1st gen...any insight on this? (obviously not directly related to th 1st gen, just the swap in general)

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If you can get the motor/trans with the wiring harness and computer, its a lot easier. when we got the motor, we were told all we'd need was a few pieces.... turns out we got a short long block.... or a long short block.

we still have the stock intake, t/b, maf, and a bunch of other parts. but at the time, a wiring harness, fuel rails, injectors, fuel pump and pcm would have ran us another $1000.00 or more plus splicing into the stock harness to make everything run properly.

there are 2 versions (IIRC) of the intake/ignition kit. one is the one we have that uses "pills" for different cam setups to map the timing. the other one has a hookup to actually be able to tune the timing via a computer/tuning software.

the one thing with a carb (well, 2 things really), is that you will always run richer than an EFI setup, so mileage should not be of importance to you, and one cool/nice thing with running carb'd is that you get that choppier idle due to the extra richness and the lack of complete air/fuel mixture.

right now things are still kinda jerry-rigged as far as the wiring and routing of components, but it will get cleaned up later. we dont car what it looks like as long as its fast.

oh.... and some more pics.







slight front damage to the front clip (which will be replaced).... no power to the brakes and she didnt stop in time and bumped into the back of the truck.




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ok, i know i have Technically been on here for almost 2 yrs BUT this being my first post and all. i would like to introduce you (well let greg) to my car (my first car)

the kinda funny thing i realized the other day was that the day i joined this site was the day that i kinda destroyed the old 2.8 v6.

so for the past 2 yrs me and greg have been SLOWLY getting this thing back up and running

too bad i didn't get pictures of the engine being built in my dorm room (THAT WAS FUN)
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ok, i know i have Technically been on here for almost 2 yrs BUT this being my first post and all. i would like to introduce you (well let greg) to my car (my first car)

the kinda funny thing i realized the other day was that the day i joined this site was the day that i kinda destroyed the old 2.8 v6.

so for the past 2 yrs me and greg have been SLOWLY getting this thing back up and running

too bad i didn't get pictures of the engine being built in my dorm room (THAT WAS FUN)
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