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Old 09-03-2012, 08:58 AM   #1
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Coilovers vs Drop Springs

I know this probably been discussed before but are the advantages of Coilovers over Drop Springs to lower the car? Not doing any track or road racing but I like to through it in the curves now and then just want be sure it`s going to stay planted. Also what setup will be close to factory ride?
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:12 AM   #2
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well if ur not planning on tracking the car inwould say springs and front and rear sways will do u just fine. no need to buy coilovers unless u want to spend some extra change that u will never fully reach their limits. i have LSR Performance and my ride is great but im sure all lowering springs advertised on this wonderful forum are just as great. DONT Forget about the SWAY BARS.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:22 AM   #3
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well if ur not planning on tracking the car inwould say springs and front and rear sways will do u just fine. no need to buy coilovers unless u want to spend some extra change that u will never fully reach their limits. i have LSR Performance and my ride is great but im sure all lowering springs advertised on this wonderful forum are just as great. DONT Forget about the SWAY BARS.

I think most guys...and gals on here go with springs because of the difference in price. springs still give you the look you want, without sacrificing the ride too much..with lowering springs, the ride will def be stiffer and harsher than stock.

Coilovers give you "adjustability" for the track and the highway.....and a MUCH better ride than springs. If price was no option, I would buy coilovers.....no question about it
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If you are not putting your car on the track I do not see any reason to pay 10x as much money. A good set of coil overs can be adjusted to your liking but a good set of lowering springs ride close to as well as stock. Slightly firmer but not hard or harsh in anyway. Like camaroRND2 mentioned, lowering springs and sway bars are the way to go.
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:42 AM   #5
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Am I correct that I have read coilovers can be made to be an even nicer ride than factory thru adjustment? I personally want to be down 1"-11/2", but don't want to sacrifice any ride comfort.

$300 - $400 for springs or $1000 to $1500++ for COs?
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Old 09-03-2012, 09:49 AM   #6
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Also what setup will be closest to factory ride?
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Am I correct that I have read coilovers can be made to be an even nicer ride than factory thru adjustment? I personally want to be down 1"-11/2", but don't want to sacrifice any ride comfort.

$300 - $400 for springs or $1000 to $1500++ for COs?
A good set of coil overs can achieve ride quality as good or better than stock but a $1000 set of coil overs is not a "good set". You get what you pay for when it comes to coil overs. A lowering spring in the 1 inch range is not going to significantly impact ride quality. Like I mentioned before, it will be a little more firm (think sporty) but not degraded. Below are a couple of quotes from customers of ours after installing Pfadt lowering springs.

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I cannot say enough good things about the way the car handles now!! I wish I would have done this months ago! The ride is not quite as compliant as prior, but it is not rough by any means. Just a bit firmer... The car does not feel quite as heavy as it did with the stock springs. Cornering is nice and flat. I cannot say enough good stuff about the engineering that Pfadt has put into these springs! The drop height and ride is perfect.

Many thanks again to Chase and Victoria at Apex!

Pfadt, you have a great product!

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Now the car handles like how it should.....feels like as if it were on rails and I don't know if its me or not, but I think it has a better ride quality than the stock suspension.....no bounce or pounding at all!!! I'd recommend these to anybody looking a good set of lowering springs....Pfadt nailed it on this one!!
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oh but heads up if u replace the sways and take a hard corner u will look at ur wallet and wonder whatelse can i buy. im pretty much addicted and now i have group theropy every monday for modder meetings. 1 week and no mods
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Old 09-03-2012, 10:31 AM   #9
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So what do a good set of springs and sway bars run??

I have been wanting to lower my car for the last couple of months.
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Old 09-03-2012, 10:57 AM   #10
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So what do a good set of springs and sway bars run??

I have been wanting to lower my car for the last couple of months.
Varies. Springs in the 300 range, bars 450 or so. Shop around. Springs have a good ride unless you hit bombed out pavement or bumps then you feel it pretty good.The stock shocks arent really up to the task of controlling them as they should
especially on a v6, but not bad, and you lose shock travel through lowering, making them not as effective,and and the shocks may wear faster but havent seen reports yet.
Best setup I had on my 4th gen was springs and Koni SA shocks to handle the shorter travel and spring stiffness.
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apex chase or Matt at LSR performance can set u up on a good deal.
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I like the BMR and the pfadt......BMR 1.4 front and 1" rear is kinda at the top of my list right now.....
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:39 PM   #13
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I could go either way the cost is`nt really the issue just want to know what to expect on both setups. Why are the springs 1.4 F & 1.0 R looks they would be the same.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:32 PM   #14
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Coilovers if you can afford them. I got my car lower and the ride is better with coilovers vs when I had Hotchkis springs.

I bought BC coils which cost right at $1k. For me they've worked out just fine. My car is mostly a daily driver with 2 or 3 Auto-X a year and probably the same trips to the drag strip.
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So what do a good set of springs and sway bars run??

I have been wanting to lower my car for the last couple of months.
$500-700, depending on what you go with.

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[QUOTE=Apex Chase;5527627]but a $1000 set of coil overs is not a "good set". You get what you pay for when it comes to coil overs.QUOTE]

I was on the fence between Pedders XA and BC Coilovers.
Big issue was how to adjust without the holes on the trunk.

Are you saying that these are not a very good choice?

What do you recommend ?

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Old 09-03-2012, 07:32 PM   #17
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The Pfadt 1" - 1 1/4" springs do not lower the car as fas as I'd like. With a 1LE en route(already set up a bit stiffer than a stock SS) I want to lower as far as possible and maintain ride quality.
I've been reading through a few suspension threads and still not sure what I want to do. Coils are so expensive. I have a set of B&G RS2 coils on my Cobalt and NOT impressed. Rough and bouncy as PHUCK. The search goes on I guess.
New to the Camaro side so I'll be following this thread to see if someone provides the info I need as well.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:35 PM   #18
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but a $1000 set of coil overs is not a "good set". You get what you pay for when it comes to coil overs.QUOTE]

I was on the fence between Pedders XA and BC Coilovers.
Big issue was how to adjust without the holes on the trunk.

Are you saying that these are not a very good choice?

What do you recommend ?

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Old 09-03-2012, 07:54 PM   #19
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There's nothing wrong with pedders or BC. The one makes the other and they're both quality. Although Megans are more softly sprung and/or valved so I would avoid those unless you want a ride like a Cadillac and not a Camaro.
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but a $1000 set of coil overs is not a "good set". You get what you pay for when it comes to coil overs.QUOTE]

I was on the fence between Pedders XA and BC Coilovers.
Big issue was how to adjust without the holes on the trunk.

Are you saying that these are not a very good choice?

What do you recommend ?

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I have the holes in the trunk....personally that's one of the reasons I wanted to go with BC. Makes it super easy to adjust them. I can have all 4 corners adjusted in less than 2 minutes and I never get on the ground. Just my opinion though.

I can only comment on BC because that's all I've had. To me, if you have the money go with Pfadt but they are in a completely different price range. For the lower end versions the BC has worked for me perfectly. I'm not all out competition racing. I only go to a few Auto-X each year and a handfull of drag strip nights. I will say that the BC (once adjusted right) helped me pick up .2 tenths in the 1/8th mile. A 2 minute adjustment later and my car drives really nice on the way home and that's with a 1.5" drop as well.
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I know this probably been discussed before but are the advantages of Coilovers over Drop Springs to lower the car? Not doing any track or road racing but I like to through it in the curves now and then just want be sure it`s going to stay planted. Also what setup will be close to factory ride?
For your purposes I would recommend our springs and swaybars.

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I like the BMR and the pfadt......BMR 1.4 front and 1" rear is kinda at the top of my list right now.....
We appreciate your interest in BMR lowering springs, when you are ready for a set give me a call and I will make sure you are taken care of.
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We'll let take a more rational approach to all of this. You have a V6. The 2012s have FE4 suspension which is a huge leap forward. Look around for a set of take-off struts, springs and bars from a 2012. There are more than you might think as quite a few 2012 owners have fully upgraded to coilovers and bigger bars. The only part you'll need to find new is the rear lower arms and they are dirt cheap from your local Chevy dealer.

If you want to lower your car for the look and handling improvement you should be looking for take-off like new SS struts and a high quality aftermarket set of coils.

The primary advantage of a coilover is that jounce travel can be preserved. Jounce travel is GM speak for the amount of motion from at rest to hard on the bumpstop. Not all coilovers offer full jounce travel regardless of ride height. Having independent bound and rebound adjustment provides the utlimate in ride quality and handling. The choice for setup is yours to make.

You can get the best bang for the buck with take-off FE4 bits. You'll have a huge improvement in handling at a minimal out of pocket.

Having written all this, the fundamental, foundational place to start for in turn stability has absolutely nothing to do with is with rear end step out / rear end steering. This is addressed with sub-frame inserts.

Rear Sub-Frame Forward Bush / Bolt Area


Rear Sub-Frame Rear Bush / Bolt / Locating Post


The large bush in the right of these two pictures has a ferule that fits over the Locating Post. This not only centers the sub-frame, but anchors it much as a weld would to the monocoque. The movement in the rear sub-frame is relative to the voids in the OEM rubber bushes. If the voids are filled with urethane inserts or the OE bushes replaced with higher durometer full urethane, movement of the rear sub-frame is virtually eliminated.






The front sub-frame mounts with six bolts and two locating pins. There are no rubber bushes. The front sub-frame connects well forward and well behind the front ‘axle’ for strength and stability. As you could see in the frontal impact video the engine was moving backwards from the impact (at roughly 14 seconds), but the front sub-frame remained well located.

When you are considering the modifications you choose to make to your Camaro, we strongly suggest you take a holistic approach and discuss the entire range of modifications with your Pedders Suspension Specialist. They can guide you through the selection process to make certain that each modification compliments all the others to create the best possible custom Camaro for your personal use.

There is a noticeable rear end step out in turns while applying power or brakes and dealing with bumps in the 5th Gen. This is due to the voids in the OEM Sub-frame bushes. It is not unique to the Camaro. It is typical of IRS systems installed with rubber bushes to isolate the passenger area from road noise. The larger and stickier your rear tires the more pronounced the sub-frame movement becomes. The same is true with increased RWHP.



The Camaro features much larger sub-frame bushes than the G8. These were improved to handle the higher loads created by larger rubber and high RWHP found in the Camaro. While they are an improvement, we do not feel they are stable enough for the way we drive a Camaro so we designed two solutions.



Pedders EP1200 Sub-Frame Inserts are good up to 500 RWHP. The inserts fill the OEM voids in the rubber sub-frame bushes from both the top and bottom. The control surfaces are dramatically increased. Since the OEM bushes remain in place, this is more than just a great upgrade. It is relatively easy to install the EP1200. These eight pieces transform your Camaro and are probably the single biggest bang for the buck modification you can make.



For those taking the Camaro beyond 500 RWHP, drag racers and hard core corner lovers the best solution will be Pedders EP1201 full urethane Sub-Frame Bushes. With these robust bushes installed and well over 500 RWHP your Camaro will launch cleanly and track true under load. In these photos you can almost feel the improvement in performance. For ease of assembly there is a 3/4" OEM ferule holes through which a 14mm bolt is passed. Those sloppy OEM ferules are replaced with Pedders and holes suited to the 14mm bolts used to secure them. This change means there is no possible movement in the assembly under any load that doesn't bend or shear a sub-frame bolt. The increase in control surface is nothing short of MASSIVE. Your rear sub-frame will now follow your Camaro and not attempt to steer your Camaro. Switch backs are tamed. Drag launches are harder and crisper with a more efficient transfer of power.



For ultimate in IRS control Pedders has developed the EP1201HD. Racers use Delrin bushes machined from stock. These are hard plastic suitable ONLY to a race car. They require frequent replacement. Pedders EP1201HD is a urethane of high dura that when captured by the Camaro sheet metal performs like Delrin, but has the durability of all Pedders urethane products. These bushes do transmit more road noise than the EP1200 inserts or the EP1201 full bushes. In the Pedders USA, LLC Camaro we barely notice a difference because the aggressive tires we run. The EP1201HD is not a typical Pedders bit. It is designed for ONLY the most dedicated enthusiasts. In the video, you will see that there is NO visible sub-frame movement, even with a 3 2 downshift with wide open throttle.

There is a detailed Book of All Things 5th Gen here on Camaro5.Before you buy anything I suggest you read through THE Book.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:41 PM   #24
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Thanks Justice Pete lot of good info.
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Thanks Justice Pete lot of good info.
You are welcome sir. If you would like to discuss any of your questions in more detail I'll do my best to answer them here on the forum or by phone. My Dealers can and will do the same.
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