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Old 09-24-2012, 09:59 AM   #1
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Potential hints of a power increase for the ZL1 in Model Year 15

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...more-info.html

The forum member Keeks on this forum seems to have been privy to some inside information regarding the production of the C7 Corvette over the last month.

On the first page which contains pictures of the LT1 and LT4 engines rumored to be included in the C7 Base Vette and a 15 performance version he says this.




"2015 lt4 will be upgrade of camaro zl1 with more hp

Dash similar setup to like xts with cue electronics system.

My previous posts in another thread described dash exactly as I saw it.

No physical tach. It is graphic in middle LCD screen.

ALL othe gauges , like speedo, are physical old school real gauges."



I am curious what you all think. I will try to nail done some more information from him regarding the ZL1 but no luck so far.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #2
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Read that on the vette forum also. Should be interesting.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:04 AM   #3
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Hmmmm very interesting....
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:12 AM   #4
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I am asking him if he would elaborate further. I was almost dead set on getting a 14 next year trading in my current Camaro and sending it over at KDi but at this rate I may just wait. I wonder if these rumors are true what kind of horsepower increase we will see on the ZL1 and if it will be sizeable enough so it competes with the next gen Mustang which would be its target at that point compared with the GT500

I am wondering also why they would wait til the 5th Gen Camaros final model year for a release of a power increase although I suppose it makes sense waiting for the C7 Z variant
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For those who have been following the rumors on the LT1 and LT4, what are the guestimates on the size, setup, and power between the two.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:37 AM   #6
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I have got to wonder who the person is that is leaking this proprietary information. Many have been fired over this kind of stuff. I know we all find this stuff an interesting read, but I don’t think the people doing this realize the legal risks and consequences in what they are leaking to the web. I know firsthand these sites are monitored by companies like GM for this kind of stuff and it can be easily tracked back to the individuals who do this. I was a long time member on the Corvetteforum. Back when the C6 was being released two of my co-workers/friends were fired from GM for leaking this kind of stuff on the web. In fact, the pictures they posted wound up on the cover of a popular mag. Photos were uploaded from their home and with the help of GM legal, HR, and the Corvetteforum it was tracked back to the common IP address they were using to login. People need to think before they post. Like I said… I know it an interesting read, but there can be serious consequences for those that post this kind of stuff... Just food for thougt.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #7
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The guy is an ex pro hockey player and a long time member on Corvette Forums. He has been pretty open on who he is and is not an actual employee of General Motors.

The legal and moral ramifications have been discussed at length and it's been widely accepted that unless he sees financial gain from this there is no legal argument against what he is posting.

He obviously has a connect though and is utilizing it. It seems like alot of people are taking his posts at face value which is rare over there and he keeps coming out with more information.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #8
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I am asking him if he would elaborate further. I was almost dead set on getting a 14 next year trading in my current Camaro and sending it over at KDi but at this rate I may just wait. I wonder if these rumors are true what kind of horsepower increase we will see on the ZL1 and if it will be sizeable enough so it competes with the next gen Mustang which would be its target at that point compared with the GT500

I am wondering also why they would wait til the 5th Gen Camaros final model year for a release of a power increase although I suppose it makes sense waiting for the C7 Z variant
I'm thinking that we may see the engine in the Vette first and then it will be brought over into the 6th gen ZL1 which would likely be a 2016 or 2017 model. It just doesn't make any since to put it into a 2015 ZL1 if it's going to be the last model year for the 5th gen. Now if the 5th gen goes into 2016 I could see it happening for the last 2 years of the 5th gen. Either way I don't think they will have the same power rating just like the CTS-V and ZL1. Hopefully it will be more powerful for the ZL1 being that it will be heavier car and Ford has kicked our a** powerwise.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #9
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I thought the 6th gen engine was supposed be 32v like the LT5.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:14 AM   #10
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I thought the 6th gen engine was supposed be 32v like the LT5.
Maybe so this is supposed to be pertaining to the ZL1 specific.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:16 AM   #11
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I'm thinking that we may see the engine in the Vette first and then it will be brought over into the 6th gen ZL1 which would likely be a 2016 or 2017 model. It just doesn't make any since to put it into a 2015 ZL1 if it's going to be the last model year for the 5th gen. Now if the 5th gen goes into 2016 I could see it happening for the last 2 years of the 5th gen. Either way I don't think they will have the same power rating just like the CTS-V and ZL1. Hopefully it will be more powerful for the ZL1 being that it will be heavier car and Ford has kicked our a** powerwise.
That would make the most sense but do you really think GM would release a ZL1 the first year the 6th Gen comes out?

Before reading what Keeks posted I would have bet on your assessment and thats exactly why I would like more info considering I am a potential 14 buyer.

If your right though I would feel a little better buying a current ZL1 though as I would have about 3 years before its completely outdated powerwise for a Camaro.
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The guy is an ex pro hockey player and a long time member on Corvette Forums. He has been pretty open on who he is and is not an actual employee of General Motors.

The legal and moral ramifications have been discussed at length and it's been widely accepted that unless he sees financial gain from this there is no legal argument against what he is posting.

He obviously has a connect though and is utilizing it. It seems like alot of people are taking his posts at face value which is rare over there and he keeps coming out with more information.
I'm not insinuating he is the one leaking the pics... I'm just saying in general that people that have this access need to use their head. It's cool and exciting, but not worth losing your job over or who knows what.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:27 AM   #13
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That would be nice. I have been holding out to see what they have in store for the final year of the 5th gen. I'm hoping for a power bump or special edition.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:38 AM   #14
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That would be nice. I have been holding out to see what they have in store for the final year of the 5th gen. I'm hoping for a power bump or special edition.
The only thing special may be an exclusive color and interior package but I don't think we will see any changes performance wise until the 6th gen.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:43 AM   #15
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That would make the most sense but do you really think GM would release a ZL1 the first year the 6th Gen comes out?

Before reading what Keeks posted I would have bet on your assessment and thats exactly why I would like more info considering I am a potential 14 buyer.

If your right though I would feel a little better buying a current ZL1 though as I would have about 3 years before its completely outdated powerwise for a Camaro.
You're right the question is which year will be the first year for the 6th gen (2016 or 2017)? Whatever year it is I don't think we will see the ZL1 until the second year of the 6th gen. We will see how things turn out. It'll be funny to look at this thread a few years down the road and see how close or far off we were from reality
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I thought the 6th gen engine was supposed be 32v like the LT5.
My bad..............I was thinking the 2015 would be a 6th gen.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:52 AM   #17
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http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...g-in-2015.html

This is why I am hoping Keeks elaborates further on what he meant by the ZL1 upgrade.

I feel like it could be read either way that perhaps the LT4 will go strictly in the C7 and be an upgraded version of the ZL1.

I have also heard from other sources that there will probably not be a power upgrade this generation so we will see...
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http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...g-in-2015.html

This is why I am hoping Keeks elaborates further on what he meant by the ZL1 upgrade.

I feel like it could be read either way that perhaps the LT4 will go strictly in the C7 and be an upgraded version of the ZL1.
That is how I read it myself, that it might be an upgraded version of the LSA currently used in the ZL1, but meant to be implimented in the Vett.

Basically leaving the LSA the engine for the ZL1, and the improved LSA for the Vett.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:01 AM   #19
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I wouldn't be surprised either way as far as a power bump. It would be surprising if the power bump was significant. If they don't do anything special for 2015, I may look at the tuners and see what is available and what I can afford.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:43 PM   #20
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That is how I read it myself, that it might be an upgraded version of the LSA currently used in the ZL1, but meant to be implimented in the Vett.

Basically leaving the LSA the engine for the ZL1, and the improved LSA for the Vett.
Yup, that's the way I took it as well when I read it over there. I would also like to see a substantial, USEABLE increase in power for the ZL1, but I don't it........yet!
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It just doesn't make any since to put it into a 2015 ZL1 if it's going to be the last model year for the 5th gen.

Hmmmmm....when was the last time the LT4 code was used in a GM engine????? That would be in the 1996 Corvette....the last year of that generation.

From wikipedia:

It was introduced in the 1996 model year, for the last year of the C4 Corvette, and came standard on all manual transmission (ZF 6-speed equipped) C4 Corvettes. The engine was passed down to special versions of the Camaro and Firebird the next model year.

So......it shows up new in the vette in 2014 and then passed down in 2015...perfect timing!!!

I really mean nothing by this post....I just thought it was interesting and ironic.

Also, I wouldn't hold my breath for any huge power bumps especially as it relates to a standard vette. The vette is already significantly less powerful than this car. I would keep an eye on what they are doing with the ZR1...if in fact it will still be in production by then.

The base vette will likely get a small bump in power...450-475....the ZO6 up around 550 and the ZR1 around 650+. That is unless there is some major shift in thinking at GM. This is just what history suggests. So unless there is a major redesign of the car(ie a platform change), I personally wouldn't wait to buy a ZL1 (based on the next generation being revolutionary). The next gen will likely be slightly more powerful and likely just as heavy(again, unless there is a major redesign....which I think is unlikely at this point...just my opinion). The changes will be in styling and features.

My ultimate point is, what happens with the base vette is not really directly related to what is going on with this car as it relates to horsepower. The LSA could easily be squeezed some more. In fact, I wouldn't doubt it that "squeeze" will come before the next generation....maybe 2014? Look what happened with the 2001 ZO6 versus the 2002-2004 ZO6. The first adopters were not all that thrilled. You heard it here first....

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Old 09-25-2012, 03:06 PM   #22
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Are you sure? I'm subscribing to this. If this is a good guess, then I will be interested (again). Right now I'm kind of straddling the fence as to whether I would go for this 5th gen as is.
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I think that rather than up the HP in Gen 6, they'll be paying more attention to reducing the overall weight of the car.

We might even see a decrease in the displacement of the engine, but still maintaing a good amount of HP, just achived a bit differently.

Of course equal HP, but lighter weight = better performance all around and that's what we're really after I think.
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I would be surprised if the ZL1 even makes it over to the next generation.
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I would be surprised if the ZL1 even makes it over to the next generation.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it'll be replaced with the much hoped for Z/28.
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