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Old 01-02-2013, 09:56 AM   #1
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Post Comparison: Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE vs. Ford Mustang GT Track Pack


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Comparison: Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE vs. Ford Mustang GT Track Pack

Track-Ready: At the Limit With Two Racehorses


It might seem like we've compared every combination of Mustang versus Camaro that exists. We pitted V-6 against RS, GT against SS, and even ran the mighty Mustang Boss 302 and GT500 against the Camaro ZL1. Still, two models have gotten away from grille-to-grille competition thus far: the Camaro SS 1LE and the Mustang GT Track Pack.

We hear you loud and clear -- you're wondering if maybe the Boss 302 might be a tougher opponent for the SS 1LE. Well, we asked Ford for a Boss and were politely refused. Ford's reasoning was simple: See, the Boss 302 is a distinct and separate model, much like the Camaro ZL1 or the Shelby GT500. More than a hop-up package, the Boss goes so far as to have a unique engine relative to the standard GT. The GT Track Pack is simply an option on top of the base GT that adds equipment to make it better suited for hot lapping. Similarly, the SS 1LE is an option package for the base SS to serve the same purpose.

So with that in mind and two cars in our garage, we set out with a clear question: Which of these musclecars gives the track-day enthusiast more bang for the buck? For the answer, we ventured just north of Los Angeles to Willow Springs Raceway and the adjoining Streets of Willow track to see which of our pair was superior. We got a little help from Randy Pobst, MT pal, 24 Hours of Daytona winner, and all-around good guy.

Trackside, there was plenty of time to kick the tires of our ponycars. Our Mustang is a GT with the now-familiar 5.0-liter V-8 producing a worthy 420 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque. It has just three options: the premium package ($4000), leather Recaro sport seats ($1595) and the Track Package ($2495), available only on GTs equipped with a manual transmission and includes a 3.73:1 axle. Those two-and-a-half bills bring more than a few goodies: 255/40R19 Pirelli P Zero summer tires, 9.0 x 19-inch aluminum wheels, larger Brembo brakes with performance pads, an upgraded radiator and engine oil cooler, and the same heavy-duty Torsen limited-slip differential found on the Boss 302. Total cost: $39,185.

Our Camaro is a 2SS coupe with a 6.2-liter V-8 that puts out 426 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. That slight power advantage over the Mustang is a good thing: At 3860 pounds, the Camaro outweighs it by 242 pounds. Options include the RS package with HID headlamps and some extra body molding ($1350), a dual-mode performance exhaust ($895), Rally Yellow paint ($395), and the SS 1LE performance package. Chevrolet's performance pack may cost $1005 more than the one in the 'Stang, but it also gives the buyer more equipment. Above and beyond the similar Brembo brakes, 3.91 axle ratio, and larger wheels from the ZL1 with super-sticky tires (10.0x20 front and 11.0x20 rear, wrapped in 285/35ZR20 rubber all the way around), there are uprated front and rear anti-roll bars, a front strut tower brace, a close-ratio Tremec six-speed manual transmission, along with the ZL1's wheel bearings, toe links, rear shock mounts, and fuel pump. The standard SS' twin-tube rear dampers are swapped for monotube units, and the faux-suede quick-throw shifter from the ZL1 is thrown in, along with a flat-bottom steering wheel trimmed in the same material, a unique front splitter, and a matte black hook and rear spoiler. All in, the Camaro stickers at $43,105, just over $4000 more than the Mustang including options.

We could go on about trick bits and pieces all day, but it's more interesting to see what they actually mean for performance. We started at the dragstrip, where the run slips were remarkably similar. The Camaro hit the 60-mph mark in 4.3 seconds (0.1 second quicker than the Mustang), but by the quarter-mile post, the Ford had tied the ball game with an identical 12.7-second time, though with a 0.1-mph advantage at 111.9 mph, while chirping its tires into fifth gear. In our other instrumented testing, the Camaro gained the advantage, partially by virtue of its wider, grippier Goodyears. The Mustang gave up 9 feet in 60-0-mph braking tests, while losing 0.07 g to the Camaro on the skidpad and a significant 0.8 second on the figure-eight course, where acceleration, braking, and cornering are all factors.

We could go on about trick bits and pieces all day, but it's more interesting to see what they actually mean for performance. We started at the dragstrip, where the run slips were remarkably similar. The Camaro hit the 60-mph mark in 4.3 seconds (0.1 second quicker than the Mustang), but by the quarter-mile post, the Ford had tied the ball game with an identical 14.7-second time, though with a 0.1-mph advantage at 111.9 mph, while chirping its tires into fifth gear. In our other instrumented testing, the Camaro gained the advantage, partially by virtue of its wider, grippier Goodyears. The Mustang gave up 9 feet in 60-0-mph braking tests, while losing 0.07 g to the Camaro on the skidpad and a significant 0.8 second on the figure-eight course, where acceleration, braking, and cornering are all factors.

Numbers in, we hit the road course for impressions. My cohort, senior features editor Jonny Lieberman, came in after a few laps in the Mustang and some pretty white knuckles with this to say: "Any aggression when the traction control is off results in instant, tail-out nonsense. With it on, the computer just cuts power until you're creeping along. It's just not a very good track car, as you spend too much time paying attention to what direction the body is gyrating toward." I had to agree. Even with the Track Package, the Mustang's excess body and suspension movement is simply too much for its Pirellis to keep a handle on, resulting in a squirmy rear end. Neither of us was enamored of the optional Recaros, which offered less support than $1595 should buy. At not quite 6 feet tall, I couldn't get enough legroom and still comfortably reach the steering wheel--I place the blame on a non-telescoping column.

A few laps in the Camaro hammered in the point: With the 1LE package, the SS goes from pig to pony. Lieberman: "The 1LE is spectacularly planted. It's just glued to the track. This means you can concentrate on all that good stuff they taught you at race school." Indeed, the grip generated by the Camaro is so spectacular that the piece-of-cake burnouts we could do in the Mustang were considerably tougher in the Chevy. The Camaro's driving position and seats were superior to the Mustang's, as was its shifter action -- solid and precise. There's also something to be said about staring down that matte-black hood and listening to the engine growl its way to redline, then crackle and pop as it slows into turns. Of course, Jonny and I are hardly track pros, so we handed the keys over to Mr. Pobst to record a couple hot laps.

Even our race veteran had an easier time with the Camaro, putting a full 3.0-second gap between it and the Mustang at Streets of Willow racetrack. Watching Randy from the sidelines, we confirmed much of what we felt from behind the wheel -- mostly how flat and planted the Camaro was as it swished down the final turns of Streets, while the Mustang rolled and dove its way along with plenty of rear-end movement.

So it's clear the Camaro is the superior track toy, but there's still a daily commute to slog through and weekend errands to run -- these aren't just one-trick ponies. We liked the Mustang quite a bit on the road, despite a rather noisy whine under load on the freeway in fifth and sixth gears. Power is strong, and, minus the whine, the exhaust note is aggressive without being overbearing. We also found the Mustang to have superior visibility to the Camaro's cavernlike cabin. Still, while the Camaro's dual-stage exhaust is louder under load than the Mustang's, the Chevy is actually quieter at cruise, with no whine and a taller sixth gear that drops revs to below 2000 at the upper end of legal speeds. The Camaro's ride was also smoother, lacking the excess vertical movement found in virtually all current live-axle Mustangs.

When all is said and done, Chevy easily takes the win even considering its higher pricetag., Still, we have no question a Boss 302 would have given it a tougher time.


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FTW!!!

The 1LE was even faster at VIR than last year's Boss 302 times!

3:01.5 vs. 3:02.8

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267724

Could be why Ford didn't offer it up to Motor Trend this time for the comparison (hmmm.....)
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For all you Camaro Black fans, this is the results of all that work. We may not have a Z28, but the 1LE is, for all intents and purposes, that car, and its carrying on the tradition nicely for all the past track-intended Camaro variants. It'll be interesting to see how much improvement the Mustang sees when they finally give up the live rear axle in favor of something from the 20th century (yes, I meant to say 20th), but I'm sure the 6th gen will soon match and surpass it given the new platform choice. Let the arms race continue!
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IMO Ford's track package should include some track tires.



Good job Camaro!!

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:28 AM   #5
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IMO Ford's track package should include some track tires.



Good job Camaro!!

Wheels and tires and it's a faster car all around.

But these comparisons get dumber and dumber the more I read them.
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Yeah when the more expensive car wins it's easier to explain but when one that costs several thousands less beats it, it's a harder sell.
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MT quote: "you're wondering if maybe the Boss 302 might be a tougher opponent for the SS 1LE. Well, we asked Ford for a Boss and were politely refused. Ford's reasoning was simple: See, the Boss 302 is a distinct and separate model, much like the Camaro ZL1 or the Shelby GT500"

Nice excuse

To me...The Boss 302 is still a Mustang, just like the SS 1LE is still a Camaro. Doesn't really matter though, the more expensive Boss 302 LS still couldn't beat the 1LE, as the VIR times shows.
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3 seconds is a huge win for the 1LE, and I don't think the Boss 302 would be able to close the gap with the extra power and slightly wider tires. Maybe the Boss 302 LS would come close since it's wearing the R compound tires and has the extra body bracing, but even that would cut it close. Not only that, at 50k sticker for a Laguna Seca Boss, you would expect it to be faster. Good job Chevy, the 1LE is a monster.
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3 seconds is a huge win for the 1LE, and I don't think the Boss 302 would be able to close the gap with the extra power and slightly wider tires. Maybe the Boss 302 LS would come close since it's wearing the R compound tires and has the extra body bracing, but even that would cut it close. Not only that, at 50k sticker for a Laguna Seca Boss, you would expect it to be faster. Good job Chevy, the 1LE is a monster.
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In this case the Camaro only cost more because of non go fast parts. Take off the RS and use a 1SS and you still have the same performance for less than the Mustangs as tested price. Great job Chevy! I can't wait to get my hands on mine.
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MT quote: "you're wondering if maybe the Boss 302 might be a tougher opponent for the SS 1LE. Well, we asked Ford for a Boss and were politely refused. Ford's reasoning was simple: See, the Boss 302 is a distinct and separate model, much like the Camaro ZL1 or the Shelby GT500"

Nice excuse

To me...The Boss 302 is still a Mustang, just like the SS 1LE is still a Camaro. Doesn't really matter though, the more expensive Boss 302 LS still couldn't beat the 1LE, as the VIR times shows.
I wonder what the Boss 302 excuse will be when the LS7 powered Z28 shows up.
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Why bring a Ford to a run off? like knife to a gun fight.
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For all you Camaro Black fans, this is the results of all that work. We may not have a Z28, but the 1LE is, for all intents and purposes, that car, and its carrying on the tradition nicely for all the past track-intended Camaro variants. It'll be interesting to see how much improvement the Mustang sees when they finally give up the live rear axle in favor of something from the 20th century (yes, I meant to say 20th), but I'm sure the 6th gen will soon match and surpass it given the new platform choice. Let the arms race continue!
I would seriously call this car a Z-28, but wish they had squeezed about 480 Hp out of the engine.

Building a 1SS/1LE on Chevrolet.com with nothng but the dual mode exhaust (the only performance option available) nets at $37,430. Well below the Mustang Track Package, and probably even faster without the RS and 2SS weight-adding options.

Just saying...
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Way to go Camaro. Now, if only MT or any one of the other mags would test one of the C5 members cars against one of these to see how well they do compared to the stock cars with Randy Pobst behind the wheels. That would be awesome. I'll volunteer mine.
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A nice marketing opportunity for Chevy would allow us to order a 5th gen LS7 SS coupled to a 1LE package. Heck, they could even call it "Z28." Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to spread premature rumors about the next Camaro package that may or may not share the same package designation as one in each of the previous 4 generations of Camaros. I'll be in line for hot new Z28, or a Z29, ZL2 or an SSS or whatever Chevy calls it. You don't need to use Z28; a new package with great performance can make it's own name great!!

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In this case the Camaro only cost more because of non go fast parts. Take off the RS and use a 1SS and you still have the same performance for less than the Mustangs as tested price. Great job Chevy! I can't wait to get my hands on mine.
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I would seriously call this car a Z-28, but wish they had squeezed about 480 Hp out of the engine.

Building a 1SS/1LE on Chevrolet.com with nothng but the dual mode exhaust (the only performance option available) nets at $37,430. Well below the Mustang Track Package, and probably even faster without the RS and 2SS weight-adding options.

Just saying...
A 1SS/1LE would be cheaper than the car MT tested, but not cheaper than a regular Mustang GT with the track pack. That car had quite a few other options added too. They really should have done the comparison we all wanted to see, a Boss LS vs a 1LE. GM wouldn't call it out if they didn't think the 1LE could hang. To me all the Mustang track pack does is allow you to take a GT to the track. The 1LE package completely transforms an SS and improves the driving experience.
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Doubt there will be any. If the Z28 comes as a '14 model, there will be nothing to directly compete against. Ford Boss 302 production ended with the 2013 model year.
what are they doing something new?
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My question is have the mags tested a new SS? They say the SS is a pig but the suspension has been revised. Maybe would have been a better comparison for the mustang.
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My question is have the mags tested a new SS? They say the SS is a pig but the suspension has been revised. Maybe would have been a better comparison for the mustang.
Good point. So far no magazines have felt like the FE4 suspension is enough of an improvement to retest.
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With this test the mustang basically has worse tires, anyone who has autocrossed or above can see where a lot of the 3 seconds came from. Also we're a pig at only 242 lbs. more ? That's less than one of me.
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With this test the mustang basically has worse tires, anyone who has autocrossed or above can see where a lot of the 3 seconds came from. Also we're a pig at only 242 lbs. more ? That's less than one of me.
They got the weight wrong again. The 1LE actually weighs a little more at 3875 per GM.
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I mean, despite showing that both models are better overall performers than their blue oval counterparts, GM is losing pony car sales to Ford!
Same thing happened with the 4th gen. The Mustang was an easier car to drive and live with. Only reason why I got it over an SS is because the ergonomics were better for me, and I fit in it much better.

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My question is have the mags tested a new SS? They say the SS is a pig but the suspension has been revised. Maybe would have been a better comparison for the mustang.
I never understood where the idea that the other year SS Camaros didn't handle well came from. It was neck and neck with the 5.0 when it came out, although slightly behind, but not by much.

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Also we're a pig at only 242 lbs. more ? That's less than one of me.
x2 All the mags make it sound like it's 4500 pounds.
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Well.... for every 100lbs = 1 tenth on the track... which is huge when comparing competition that is this close. So 242 lbs sure don't seem like much but it makes all the difference in the world on the track, plus factor in the size in the gas tanks.... that in itself is alot more weight.
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Who the hell is doing the editing at Motor Trend these days? I'm a subscriber, and I'm pretty appalled by how many incorrect numbers and citations appear throughout the photos and article. V6 figures for the 1LE? 14.7s 1/4 mile times for both? Neither of these match the performance data at the bottom, which I guess is what matters, but all that could be f'ed up, too!


Ugh, assuming that it's correct, though, well done Camaro team. And Motor Trend: pick up the slack!!
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I say good job to both companies for making two great performing cars. They are still so close that its a drivers race no matter what race you do. I enjoy both cars for different reasons!
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