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Old 08-07-2013, 03:54 AM   #1
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Biggest square setup

Can someone tell me what's the biggest square setup you can run on the car that you're still able to rotate? Can it be done on any aftermarket wheels or will I need a wheel I can pick offsets on?
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Biggest as in like 24s? Or widest?
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I'm running 18x10 w/ 285/40 18 all the way around. Pedders has 19x10.5 w/ 305/30 19 all the way around, but I think they run different offsets front to rear and and you have to have $$$ coilovers for extra clearance up front.
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Sorry about that, definitely meant widest. I'm also looking for that in a 20" wheel. I know pedders uses a 19" forgeline but yes they use different offsets to make them fit so you can't just rotate them freely. I'm ideally looking for a "looks" wheel set without losing too much performance. I was going to go with a staggered setup but would like a square setup for handling and tire life. So I'd like to fit the largest tire I can
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Sorry about that, definitely meant widest. I'm also looking for that in a 20" wheel. I know pedders uses a 19" forgeline but yes they use different offsets to make them fit so you can't just rotate them freely. I'm ideally looking for a "looks" wheel set without losing too much performance. I was going to go with a staggered setup but would like a square setup for handling and tire life. So I'd like to fit the largest tire I can
Your best bet world be a TSW Nurburgring 20x10 35mm offset with a 275/40 or 285/35 al the way around. The Nurburgrings are light weight, good quality and affordable.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:55 PM   #6
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Your best bet world be a TSW Nurburgring 20x10 35mm offset with a 275/40 or 285/35 al the way around. The Nurburgrings are light weight, good quality and affordable.
I have to agree with this. The 285/35 would most likely be the biggest but a 275/40 isn't bad and you can save a little bit of money on tires. I plan on doing 275/40 all around.
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10"s on all four corners with the same offset with 285's on all four is about it. I can do a larger tire on the rear, but the offset on the rear wont be the same, so you wont be able to run the same offset.

If you're comfortable with spacers, then I would say what we can do is go with a higher offset on all four, then have you run spacers on the front so we don't have clearance issues to the suspension, which will allow you to run a larger 305 on the back and 285's on the front. You can indeed fit 305's on all four corners if you're willing to dial in camber and of course if you have the right suspension to do so, but you're talking about a good amount of time, work, energy and money.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:23 PM   #8
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Your best bet world be a TSW Nurburgring 20x10 35mm offset with a 275/40 or 285/35 al the way around. The Nurburgrings are light weight, good quality and affordable.
Will any wheel in a 20x10 +35 work? I don't really like the nurburgrings too much. What happens if I go with Megan coilovers? Can I fit a slightly bigger tire?

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I have to agree with this. The 285/35 would most likely be the biggest but a 275/40 isn't bad and you can save a little bit of money on tires. I plan on doing 275/40 all around.
Eh, don't really care about saving money on tires. If I can rotate them, they'll last me awhile since I don't drive crazy or burnout too much. Plus I'd like something bigger than a 275. Ideally I'd like a 295 but a 285 might be fine. I'm going to see if I can find pics of a 285.
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Wheels must also clear the brakes. The face as well. Depends on the design of the wheel.
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Will any wheel in a 20x10 +35 work? I don't really like the nurburgrings too much. What happens if I go with Megan coilovers? Can I fit a slightly bigger tire?



Eh, don't really care about saving money on tires. If I can rotate them, they'll last me awhile since I don't drive crazy or burnout too much. Plus I'd like something bigger than a 275. Ideally I'd like a 295 but a 285 might be fine. I'm going to see if I can find pics of a 285.
1LE's have 285/35-20s all the way around, and it is an absolutely bad ass, aggressive look. Wheels are 20x10 front, 20x11 rear (ZL1 wheels). As was mentioned, you could go 20x10 front and rear, and run a spacer in the front. I believe it would be 1/2", but I don't know for sure. Then you would also want to run special lug nuts, I believe they're called ET nuts, that grab a couple of extra threads on the stud.
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Will any wheel in a 20x10 +35 work? I don't really like the nurburgrings too much. What happens if I go with Megan coilovers? Can I fit a slightly bigger tire?



Eh, don't really care about saving money on tires. If I can rotate them, they'll last me awhile since I don't drive crazy or burnout too much. Plus I'd like something bigger than a 275. Ideally I'd like a 295 but a 285 might be fine. I'm going to see if I can find pics of a 285.
Yes, any 20x10 35mm should work. I know some coilovers give you more clearance and some give you less. The BC racing and Peddars give you more, PFADT goive you less. I don't know about the Megan ones.

With the right coilovers and camber settings you should be able to get a 295/35 20 to fit.
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:40 PM   #12
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On a 20 x 10 wheel, you don't need spacers if the offset is correct...a 285/35-20 is the safest tire to run on all 4 corners. I know Jordan from JDP runs a 295/35-20 on the front of his Camaro, but it also had to do a little self clearancing if I remember correctly when I talked to him about it....
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Make sure the wheel spokes won't hit the caliper face...
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The critical fitment is the front of the vehicle. Any combo that you can make work on the front, will also bolt onto the rear. I've done 10.0 with 295 front and rear, but they do stick out a bit. 285 is the widest I'd go up front without them sticking out too much. Factory 1LE and ZL1 run the 285 front tire on 10.0 wheels (+25 offset)
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Yea, just saw the 1LE setup from a few angles and I really like it. Might go with that. Don't like how it sticks out a bit but I can deal with it. So is that the best option?
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"Best" option is vague. When I hear best, I want to recommend the best quality wheels. Some people translate this into meaning the cheapest quality wheels or lowest price.

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Your best bet world be a TSW Nurburgring 20x10 35mm offset with a 275/40 or 285/35 al the way around. The Nurburgrings are light weight, good quality and affordable.
This is my current set-up.. 275/40 Nitto INVOs 20x10" w/ 35mm. Pfadt ZL sways and drop springs.

Here are a few cell phone pics..









Not sure what your budget is, but factory reproductions makes a ZL1 style wheel in a 20x10" 35mm offset. They also produce them with the ZL1 offsets. Good looking wheel and cheap. I do not have first hand experience on quality.

As for weight, the Nurburgring are not as light as I had expected. I've read several comments about how much lighter they were supposed to be. I weighed my new wheels and tires vs the stock set up. I picked up 1lb up front and lost 5lbs in the back. My advice would be to ask someone that already has the setup you're looking for to see if they have the weights of their stock wheels and tires vs their new setup. It's best to weigh them on the same scale. Kinda like dynos, each scale will vary.
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im running 20x10.5 +35 all around on 285/40/20... no issues... its all about the right offset for the width you choose



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FRSTR and Bronxx, two bad ass set ups! Nice
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im running 20x10.5 +35 all around on 285/40/20... no issues... its all about the right offset for the width you choose



Didn't I read somewhere that those wheels required a spacer? Or do you have coilovers?
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Didn't I read somewhere that those wheels required a spacer? Or do you have coilovers?
no and no... PFADT springs
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The difference in tire patch width between a 285 and 275 tire is about .4"; the weight difference however is typically about 2-3 lbs heavier for the 285. Unless you're a top pro level driver who can actually use and/or tell the difference between .4" in tire patch, go with the 275 because you will see the benefits of the reduction of unsprung rotating weight. Especially with the weight being that far out from the center like you'd get with a 20" wheel. The fact that the tires are cheaper is a nice side benefit.

I recently switched out my old 19x9.5 setup to a 19x10 setup which is 8 lbs lighter but I still went with the same tire size of 275/40-19. The difference in acceleration response is noticeable.

The new wheels don't have the exotic custom look my old 3-piece forged set does but they still look good and I'm more than happy with the improvement in performance. I'll probably sell my old set. The new wheels are 19x10 with a 25mm offset.
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FRSTR and Bronxx, two bad ass set ups! Nice
Coming from a guy with a 1LE! Thanks!

One thing I didn't mention in my prev post is the night and day difference in handling.. I highly recommend springs and sways.
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So, if I wanted a square setup that can be rotated, and wanted 285's or 275's, I should buy 10" wide or 10.5" wide? And which offset? I dont mind sticking out a little like the 1LE setup.
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