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Old 01-03-2014, 10:06 AM   #1
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Exclamation December 2013 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)

December 2013 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro December 2013 Deliveries (actual sales): 5,015 -14% (Pr Ye)

Compared to Competition:

Mustang December 2013 Delivery (sales):5,727 3% (Pr Ye)
Challenger December 2013 Delivery (sales):2,872 -27% (Pr Ye)
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:07 AM   #2
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:29 AM   #3
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That S197 Mustang is still doing well! Team camaro what happened?
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:35 AM   #4
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That S197 Mustang is still doing well! Team camaro what happened?
...Unfortunately a fairly poor refresh. Wish they would have or could have, spent more money on a real refresh...similar to something like the 68 to 69 model changes.
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I like the 64 to 13 graph that's pretty cool
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Old 01-03-2014, 02:24 PM   #6
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...Unfortunately a fairly poor refresh. Wish they would have or could have, spent more money on a real refresh...similar to something like the 68 to 69 model changes.
I luv the refresh. But the key is the you have to have the 1LE package with the rims and all, otherwise I'm not that impressed. As a numerous prior Camaro owner, I never considered a 5th gen till the 1LE.
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I like the 64 to 13 graph that's pretty cool
Agreed. But shows our faves have a long way to go to ensure their future.
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:42 PM   #8
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The fusetang helped the dec. sales for ford
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The press about the 2015 model probably helped too
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:24 PM   #10
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I luv the refresh. But the key is the you have to have the 1LE package with the rims and all, otherwise I'm not that impressed. As a numerous prior Camaro owner, I never considered a 5th gen till the 1LE.
100% agree! Not many DD going to spend that much , like we will for a 1LE. Heck most of the public don't even know what a 1LE package is. But everyone knows what a mustang GT and other mustangs are. Plus the mustang performance package is self explanatory.

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The press about the 2015 model probably helped too
You're saying it help as in scaring ppl into buying the 13's and 14's ?
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You're saying it help as in scaring ppl into buying the 13's and 14's ?
Yes.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:40 PM   #12
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Yes.
Oh, OK! I agree because the 13-14's are nice. I like them.
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...Unfortunately a fairly poor refresh. Wish they would have or could have, spent more money on a real refresh...similar to something like the 68 to 69 model changes.
The changes they made to the tail lamps just really degrade the
overall look of the car. Head lamp changes look fine however.
Just not good enough to get owners of the 5th generation to upgrade
on looks alone.
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Looks like the refresh is still sucking it up sales wise... Honestly if the back wasn't so ugly it'd look great overall.... but that MASSIVE ugly black plastic diffuser and those taillights....

My 2 cents but I don't work for GM so I guess I can only say so much... Maybe one day
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I dont think it has alot to do with the refresh. To me its more like how many more mustangs are there on dealer lots as opposed to camaros. Mustangs pose better incentives off the lot.
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Some of you are interpreting facts to support your own conclusions.

The cold hard truth is Camaro is an old car. The overall design is now 8 years old and 2014 will mark 5 years in production. Most of the folks who really wanted one already own one.

Don't expect sales to pick up any time soon. And Mustang's launch will dampen them even more.

6th gen can't come soon enough.
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Some of you are interpreting facts to support your own conclusions.

The cold hard truth is Camaro is an old car. The overall design is now 8 years old and 2014 will mark 5 years in production. Most of the folks who really wanted one already own one.

Don't expect sales to pick up any time soon. And Mustang's launch will dampen them even more.

6th gen can't come soon enough.
The SN197 was on dealer lots in late 2004....

Ford is just doing a good job selling cars and trucks.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:47 PM   #18
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I dont think it has alot to do with the refresh. To me its more like how many more mustangs are there on dealer lots as opposed to camaros. Mustangs pose better incentives off the lot.
Ford always had better incentives , Just like the challengers. But the challengers are still not selling like the other two.
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Some of you are interpreting facts to support your own conclusions.

The cold hard truth is Camaro is an old car. The overall design is now 8 years old and 2014 will mark 5 years in production. Most of the folks who really wanted one already own one.

Don't expect sales to pick up any time soon. And Mustang's launch will dampen them even more.

6th gen can't come soon enough.
And this year will mark 10 years that the S197 has been in production. It's hard to say the Camaro isn't doing well because it's been in production for 5 years, when the Mustang is pretty much the same design wise as in 2004 and is still selling well.
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[QUOTE=FenwickHockey65;7314098]Some of you are interpreting facts to support your own conclusions.

The cold hard truth is Camaro is an old car. The overall design is now 8 years old and 2014 will mark 5 years in production. Most of the folks who really wanted one already own one.

Not true! Look at how many ppl wanted a 2013 camaro 1LE to order. But couldn't and had to get a 14 or get what's left or get a mustang. The numbers speak for itself. I think the 14 1LE's āre nice but that's it. You cannot tell me that the camaro slump in sales is do to it being old because the camaro was leading almost every month. Until around the time. 14's starting being on the lot and you couldn't order a pre refresh camaro.
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You guy are just putting your own ideas into these figures. If you look across the entire graph, the biggest valleys for the camaro are in the nov, dec, jan area. Every year. So no, I wouldn't blame the refresh at all. I wouldn't have mine if it weren't for the refresh.
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I know some of you prefer the non Retro over the Retro looking 10-13 camaro's . That's fine because they're both camaro's. I'm happy that I didn't wait for a 14 because I wouldn't have bought it. So we're both good
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Ok we will see what happens in jan, February and March! Maybe a spike in March when the 1le,zl1 are released again and z28 and the spring edition.
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You guy are just putting your own ideas into these figures. If you look across the entire graph, the biggest valleys for the camaro are in the nov, dec, jan area. Every year. So no, I wouldn't blame the refresh at all. I wouldn't have mine if it weren't for the refresh.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:53 PM   #24
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Why the recent re-fresh was bad idea...

If you notice the Camaro has been getting outsold to the Mustang again the last few months and this is with an old model too. I think that the rear end of the re-fresher Camaro is the problem.
1. Too much plastic underneath the lights and it lost its sharp lines for a rounded rear.
2. Let's be honest the back tail lights are hideous. Yeah the new lights look pretty good on the Z/28 but the other models not so much as they are some what different. The earlier 2010-2013 lights were just much better.

Hopefully the 6th gen will go back to and keep the awesome tail lights again the new ones are a bore. Yeah I get it's kind of similar to the first gen but it just doesn't flow with this car as well.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:13 PM   #25
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Ford always had better incentives
That's because you have to pay people to buy crap.

It's like the Coke and Pepsi deal. Go to the store, Pepsi is always cheaper. It's how they built their brand, giving twice as much for the price waaaayyy back in the day.
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