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Old 02-04-2014, 01:15 PM   #1
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BRACKET RACING: Any 5th-gen Camaro

ALL V6: Any V6 5th-gen Camaro

STOCK V8: Any V8 5th-gen Camaro. CAI and/or Catback only, are allowed. No Headers, tune, engine modifications. No under 200-treadwear tires or drag radials.

MODIFIED: Any naturally-aspirated street-licensed 5th-gen Camaro (no nitrous)

SUPER-MODIFIED: Any force-inducted IRS 5th-gen Camaro. Unlimited mods, (18" rear wheels or larger ).

UNLIMITED: Any force-inducted IRS 5th-gen Camaro. Unlimited modifications. Any driver.

*** In addition to Brackets you may only enter one of the main classes and will be tech'd accordingly


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M6 STREET TIRES: Any manual trans 5th-gen Camaro on street tires (no DRs)

ZL1 UNLIMITED: Any ZL1 Camaro

Corvette: Unlimited Corvette

SUPER COMP: Gen 1-4, Drag Car or non-IRS 5th Gen, Any driver
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In the unlimited 5th Gen class are street registered cars going up against shop cars?
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In the unlimited 5th Gen class are street registered cars going up against shop cars?
Yup..., shop car, pro driver doesn't matter. Fastest 5th Gen Wins registered or not.
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Yup..., shop car, pro driver doesn't matter. Fastest 5th Gen Wins registered or not.
So Joe Public with a stock engine and a maggie is going to go up against a pro driver with a gutted racecar (as long as it's a 5th gen of course).............so much for a grass roots, let's get everyone involved format.
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Bring back the heads up M6 street tire class please.

I personally would just prefer multiple different heads up classes. To me autos are going to dominate bracket racing and the best sandbaggers will dominate index racing where as with the heads up classes you can actually race and show off you car or skill with other similar cars. Just my little rant, but thanks for all your hard work putting the drag racing together each year mlee.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:56 PM   #6
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I didn't attend last year or any year C5fest and i'd love to go sometime as i read all about it every year i've been on this site. The one thing i heard bad about last year was the Classes in drag. I know mlee does the best beyond belief to help keep everything feasible and make everyone happy but i recall the Joe Schmoe racers who put hard work into their own cars unsponsored got really upset with having full shop sponsored cars in their class. I'm not telling anyone that organizes C5 to change anything i think they do an awesome job but you may want to add in or maybe seperate fully shop sponsored cars from those who aren't.

Besides if you need a good reason why not make a shop sponsored class i'm sure those few places and teams of people would love bragging rights on C5 because in all honesty a shop car going up against people who sunk their own money and sweat and tears in Supercharged SS's case with his blown engines aren't going to be able to compete at the same level and it's not entirely fair to have them placed 4th or 5th because there were 3 or 4 cars with professional pit crews and mechanics around to adjust stuff. I have no issue myself with a pro driver in a car or a weekend warrior going head to head i've been in enough drag races to know pro driver doesn't always mean winner.
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Bracket racing sucks...but I understand appealing to the masses. I think for an event like this we should run a sportsman tree and run the indexes you listed, heads up. Or maybe even change that a bit and go like this:
- Heads Up Racing (.50 Sportsman tree) For Indexes (10.0, 10.5, 11.0, 11.5, 12.0)
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Just my opinion but the bracket classes even out everything . It doesnt matter who lines up beside you it you and your time. Heads up racing is a big dollar game
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To me racing is being the fastest, first to the finish line without holding someone back is the winner, you even it out with classes; head/cam NA, bolt on, FI, street tire M6, etc. Bracket racing is all and only about consistency. They have monthly bracket racing over here and every month the winner is a 22sec smart car. Really what fun is that?

Indexes are a little better, but still you have to slow down and run the slower class to be competitive. Again, this is just a different form of consistency, neither bracket racing or indexing allows for balls-out run what you brung racing.

I had an awesome time racing at C5F3 in the street tire M6 class, I think tire classes really help even the field also.
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And bracket racing takes some skill too...many of the folks at Fest last time I was in Indy were new to this...that's just another factor for the folks to learn.
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I wouldnt want to be the mod on this subject it is a very very tough one , but what every they decide I will be there to support and race
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Bring back the heads up M6 street tire class please.

I personally would just prefer multiple different heads up classes. To me autos are going to dominate bracket racing and the best sandbaggers will dominate index racing where as with the heads up classes you can actually race and show off you car or skill with other similar cars. Just my little rant, but thanks for all your hard work putting the drag racing together each year mlee.
OK, there was only one reason I did not add (the best class we ever had) M6 street tire was due to the Autos being excluded.

But the point has been made that Autos dominate Bracket and Index so M6 Street is in..

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I didn't attend last year or any year C5fest and i'd love to go sometime as i read all about it every year i've been on this site. The one thing i heard bad about last year was the Classes in drag. I know mlee does the best beyond belief to help keep everything feasible and make everyone happy but i recall the Joe Schmoe racers who put hard work into their own cars unsponsored got really upset with having full shop sponsored cars in their class. I'm not telling anyone that organizes C5 to change anything i think they do an awesome job but you may want to add in or maybe seperate fully shop sponsored cars from those who aren't.

Besides if you need a good reason why not make a shop sponsored class i'm sure those few places and teams of people would love bragging rights on C5 because in all honesty a shop car going up against people who sunk their own money and sweat and tears in Supercharged SS's case with his blown engines aren't going to be able to compete at the same level and it's not entirely fair to have them placed 4th or 5th because there were 3 or 4 cars with professional pit crews and mechanics around to adjust stuff. I have no issue myself with a pro driver in a car or a weekend warrior going head to head i've been in enough drag races to know pro driver doesn't always mean winner.
One thing you have to remember is the number of cars for each class. We had 3 cars in the V6 class and we had a shop car class with 2 cars. They are here to race as well. This year the ARH/Farks car may be the only shop car in attendance other than some Fbods and it will only be there if the NMCA schedule permits. We will make adjustments if needed but we're not going down the road of registered/not registered or owner/driver, shop car or not.

There are not that many cars that run 9's. Break it down further and you have no class left.
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Whats with the F-Bodys ? isnt this Camaro Fest ?
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Where's the 9.0 index?
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Where's the 9.0 index?
I'll bring the Trophies for that if you bring the car.

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Whats with the F-Bodys ? isnt this Camaro Fest ?
Camaro is an Fbody. We are on the way into Gen 6 very soon and heck we might even entertain some C7 racing as well.
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I'll bring the Trophies for that if you bring the car.

Camaro is an Fbody. We are on the way into Gen 6 very soon and heck we might even entertain some C7 racing as well.
If you see me.....you'll also be seeing the 9 second C7.

Maybe Matt will let me leave the cars and the trailer at his shop or maybe his buddy Jason in Jacksonville will. That would make it so much easier.
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Saweeet glad to hear the M6 street tire class is back.

Now I just need to come up with a few more mods to help burn the tires off a little faster, i'm pretty sure there will be some tougher cars in TX than Indy.
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LOL.. I'm using the term loosely..

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If you see me.....you'll also be seeing the 9 second C7.

Maybe Matt will let me leave the cars and the trailer at his shop or maybe his buddy Jason in Jacksonville will. That would make it so much easier.
I smell some options and a lot of maybe here. The door is open and we'll roll out the red carpet for the Northeast.

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Saweeet glad to hear the M6 street tire class is back.

Now I just need to come up with a few more mods to help burn the tires off a little faster, i'm pretty sure there will be some tougher cars in TX than Indy.
It's hard to deny a class that was so successful during Fest III.
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I smell some options and a lot of maybe here. The door is open and we'll roll out the red carpet for the Northeast.

Let me see what I can do. Gonna take some work. Just on the logistics. The wife already ok'ed my declaration on 2014 being my comeback tour to drag racing!!
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:( Ok lets not make this DRAG racing thing so confuzzing the Average guy doesn't know when he's supposed to be racing! This is supposed to be FUN! My first year at INDY I had not Idea what was going on? OR when ??? Mlee you know what I'm saying ~
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K...thanks for the feedback. Lol
Why don't you clarify then...do you intend the indexes to be bracket raced? Or heads up? A bracket on those indexes with a one second spread in classes may not be that bad.
I take it you guys are going to have someone announcing classes and that the first day is a chance for everyone to get used to the track a few passes and get a dial in figured out.
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OK, there was only one reason I did not add (the best class we ever had) M6 street tire was due to the Autos being excluded.

But the point has been made that Autos dominate Bracket and Index so M6 Street is in..



One thing you have to remember is the number of cars for each class. We had 3 cars in the V6 class and we had a shop car class with 2 cars. They are here to race as well. This year the ARH/Farks car may be the only shop car in attendance other than some Fbods and it will only be there if the NMCA schedule permits. We will make adjustments if needed but we're not going down the road of registered/not registered or owner/driver, shop car or not.

There are not that many cars that run 9's. Break it down further and you have no class left.
M6 street tire class,what an awesome idea .........LOL I still think the Street Slayer challenge sounds better ....Great work guys cant wait...The RPM car may be there

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M6 street tire class,what an awesome idea .........LOL I still think the Street Slayer challenge sounds better ....Great work guys cant wait...The RPM car may be there
^^^^Yes sir that was a fantastic idea two years ago
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K...thanks for the feedback. Lol
Why don't you clarify then...do you intend the indexes to be bracket raced? Or heads up? A bracket on those indexes with a one second spread in classes may not be that bad.
I take it you guys are going to have someone announcing classes and that the first day is a chance for everyone to get used to the track a few passes and get a dial in figured out.
Will definitely be adding details later. TPower caught me off guard and we needed to get discussions going anyway.

Index was meant to be heads up, but now that you mention it, it might not be a bad idea to do the entire bracket racing that way.

Friday is test and tune all morning and we always try to get bracket racing done late Friday afternoon. Plenty of time to get dialed in. Both tracks are shut down from 12 to 1 for Vendor appreciation and at 1 only slicks and DR's are allowed for the first passes on good prep.
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