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Old 06-03-2014, 08:32 AM   #1
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Top Gear Z/28 Review - "the results are both terrible and wonderful"

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/c...ive-2014-06-02

Not loving the barbell tires but otherwise decent review.

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First UK drive: Chevy Camaro Z/28

'The results are terrible and wonderful…' Ollie Marriage pops a brave pill and tackles the 505bhp track-spec muscle car

The Z/28. That's the sportier version of the Camaro, right?

It is, but you might not be aware just how much sportier it is. This is hardcore. There's no carpet in the boot. Air con is an option. As standard it comes with just a single solitary speaker. The flip side of this is that it has gained some go-faster tech. This good ol' boy even has carbon ceramic brakes.

Like a proper European performance car?

Well, the brakes are from Italy (Brembo), the seats are British (Recaro), the new lighter pistons are German (Mahle) and the titanium conrods hail from Austria (Pankl). Surely this sort of thing could get Chevrolet reported for un-American activities? You have to admit these inclusions seem to jar with a car that's more Clint Eastwood than Roger Moore. But we need to be modern about this - Chevy has just gone shopping for the best parts to suit its most riotous driver's car. All in, it's claimed to be 136kg lighter than the standard model.

That's what I call a diet.

I can't think of a car that's been through a more radical weight loss program - although it wasn't exactly starting from a lean base point. Still, 1733kg is commendably light for a car that's 16 feet long, 6 feet 5 inches wide and sports a 7.0-litre naturally aspirated engine in the nose. Surprisingly, this isn't the most potent Camaro - that's the supercharged 6.2-litre 580bhp ZL1 - but it is the most track ready.

It has 505bhp and 481lb ft at 4800rpm, while 0-60mph is claimed to take 4.0 secs and top speed is 190mph. I'm not completely convinced it would hit those numbers - well, if the tyres were well warmed and you were at the end of a drag strip you might have a shout with the acceleration, but it would need to be many times the length of a quarter-mile strip to get all the way to 190mph.

Tell me about the tyres.

They are totally daft, Pirelli Trofeo Rs that are - allegedly - road legal, but they're about as heavily treaded as a billiard ball. Chevy proudly claims that the fronts are "the widest front tyre on any production car". I wasn't aware that fitting 305-width Trofeo R tyres at either end of the front axle, thus creating a comedy barbell, was something to boast about. In fact, if the 500 miles I've driven on the road in it are anything to go by, then Chevy actually intended the appalling tramlining, brutal ride and puckering aquaplaning.

So why has Chevy fitted them?

Because while spindly front tyres are all very well if your engine is in the middle of the car and your name is Lotus or Ferrari, you're only going to get terminal understeer if those tyres are then pressed into the road by a V8 of steamship proportions. What these fat Trofeos do, once warm and dry, is give the Z/28 some proper front end bite. And it really does bite. The grip is amazing, the steering fast, the nose accurate. Up to a point. Cross the line and you'll discover it breaks away rather abruptly and suddenly you're fighting it as the chassis bucks, the tyres twitch and bounce and it suddenly feels every one of its 1733 kilos. It also tends to let go at the back first - there's not even a boot carpet to weigh it down, remember - and it's not the steadiest, happiest car when drifting. It does drift though.

I noticed from the pictures.

Yep, we took it to Dunsfold in the company of a Nissan GT-R and BMW M6 (see video) and found that 481lb ft will have that effect, especially when channeled through a ridiculously tight rear diff and manual gearbox. The transmission is a bit of a highlight actually - it might not have a light, flicky shift, but it's meaty, short-throw and feels like it can cope with whatever the V8 can throw at it. It also has an alcantara gearknob. And an alcantara steering wheel. And dash trim, too. It's not a bad cabin, actually, and you view the road ahead over a prairie-sized bonnet through a windscreen that's a foot high and six wide. It's not short on charisma, the Z/28.

And driving it on the road?

I wouldn't. In fact, you mustn't. Especially if it rained a week ago. The ride is utterly miserable and once you experience what those tyres do when they encounter a tramline or a camber or - heaven forbid - a trace of dampness, well let's just say it's not going to be an experience you'll forget in a hurry. Chiefly because of the insurance claim.

What's the engine like?

What do you expect from a 7.0-litre naturally aspirated V8? Imagine that and you're there. Actually, you're not there because the lighter pistons and conrods help the massive capacity lump feel perkier than you might expect. It's a flesh-and-blood engine, rumbles and bellows wonderfully, is always predictable, builds to a thunderous crescendo and delivers enough performance.

Enough? I should hope so too.

Personally I reckon it could use more. 800bhp ought to do it. It's not that the chassis could handle it, more that the car deserves it. It feels like that would be appropriate. And amusing.

The brakes would never cope...

I think they would, actually. In fact, the brakes are one of the best things about the Z/28. The power and feel through the pedal is superb. Apparently it can pull 1.5g under braking. Americans love a stat. But even so, I'm sure that Chevy appreciates the Camaro isn't just about speed - a Porsche 911 GT3 is 12 seconds faster around the Nurburgring, and on much less aggressive tyres. And the tyres do dominate the drive, giving the handling a sharp, unsettling edge.

But the overall experience? That's plain wonderful. You hammer forwards, the engine pounding and trumpeting, the traction immense, the whole car alive and throaty. No matter how old you are or how sniffy about its track credentials, there's something captivating about the Z/28. I think you've got to admire a company that's been so single-minded about turning such a huge car into a track special. The results are both terrible and wonderful.


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I didn't see a Stig Power Lap time with the story. I am hoping the next series they actually have a Z/28 and a C7 Z06 to test.
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Finally been wating for them to review it . More so to see the stings hot lap
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Typical TopGear understatement...

Surely this sort of thing could get Chevrolet reported for un-American activities?

I wasn't aware that fitting 305-width Trofeo R tyres at either end of the front axle, thus creating a comedy barbell, was something to boast about.

It's not a bad cabin, actually, and you view the road ahead over a prairie-sized bonnet through a windscreen that's a foot high and six wide.

I'll anticipate seeing Stig's Power Lap, but am really hoping to see Chris Harris test this car...
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I never understand why they are always drifting the cars, that's not the fast way around the track. One time they blew up the tires and didn't have any replacements.

Like to see the Stig lap... Should do well.
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I didn't see a Stig Power Lap time with the story. [B]I am hoping the next series they actually have a Z/28 and a C7 Z06 to test.
Do you mean Z/28 to test against the C7 Z06? If so, why? The Z/28 & C7 Z06 (w/Z07 complete race/track package) are in two separate leagues. I love the Z/28 but I really dont think it will be much of a comparo between the two.
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Typical TopGear understatement...
I'll anticipate seeing Stig's Power Lap, but am really hoping to see Chris Harris test this car...
Hoping for the same. Although, we may be lucky and have Matt Farah and his love for Camaro, review it...
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I think these specialty cars Z/28, ZL1 (Mustang GT500 included) are more for advertising and brand bragging than real world driving (streets/roads/highways-not tracks). This Z28 is 3,820 pounds dry, I read all the silly things they did just to cut 8 pounds here and eight pounds there. A greater weight reduction is achieved by removing the spare tire and jack from a GT and that does not raise the price. This euro assessment is accurate. There are some enviable things about camaro, but weight and size are not two of them. The Z28 is a track performer by overkill engine and tires. It is likely a gas hog on the road and a summer car only. In interest of fair disclosure I think the Mustang GT500 is in the same place. The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
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I think these specialty cars Z/28, XLE, ZL1 (Mustang GT500 included) are more for advertising and brand bragging than real world driving (streets/roads/highways-not tracks). This Z28 is 3,820 pounds dry, I read all the things they did just to cut 8 pounds here and eight pounds there. It seems insignificant. I can achieve a greater weight reduction by removing the spare tire and jack from a GT and it does not make the car cost an extra $20K. This euro assessment is accurate. There are some enviable things about camaro, but weight and size are not two of them. The Z28 is a track performer by overkill engine and tires. It is likely a gas hog on the road and a summer car only. In interest of fair disclosure I think the Mustang GT500 is in the same place. The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 XLE or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
It's clear you are missing the point of the Z/28. It was never intended to be a daily driver, fuel efficient or a comfortable cruiser.

What exactly is overkill about the LS7? It is an awesome naturally aspirated power plant.
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I think these specialty cars Z/28, XLE, ZL1 (Mustang GT500 included) are more for advertising and brand bragging than real world driving (streets/roads/highways-not tracks). This Z28 is 3,820 pounds dry, I read all the silly things they did just to cut 8 pounds here and eight pounds there. A greater weight reduction is achieved by removing the spare tire and jack from a GT and that does not raise the price. This euro assessment is accurate. There are some enviable things about camaro, but weight and size are not two of them. The Z28 is a track performer by overkill engine and tires. It is likely a gas hog on the road and a summer car only. In interest of fair disclosure I think the Mustang GT500 is in the same place. The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 XLE or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.

Yeahhhhh... But the Camaro is better looking.
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I never understand why they are always drifting the cars, that's not the fast way around the track. One time they blew up the tires and didn't have any replacements.

Like to see the Stig lap... Should do well.
It just it's more exciting to some people to see a car sideways through the corner with the rear tires smoking than to actually be driving the car for what it was designed to do.
That being said when the Stig does his hot laps do you ever see him drifting on purpose?
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I think these specialty cars Z/28, XLE, ZL1 (Mustang GT500 included) are more for advertising and brand bragging than real world driving (streets/roads/highways-not tracks). This Z28 is 3,820 pounds dry, I read all the silly things they did just to cut 8 pounds here and eight pounds there. A greater weight reduction is achieved by removing the spare tire and jack from a GT and that does not raise the price. This euro assessment is accurate. There are some enviable things about camaro, but weight and size are not two of them. The Z28 is a track performer by overkill engine and tires. It is likely a gas hog on the road and a summer car only. In interest of fair disclosure I think the Mustang GT500 is in the same place. The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 XLE or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
OMG!!!

You mean the Z/28 is a large heavy car that kills baby dinosaurs every time you stomp on go-pedal like it was a big ass spider?

Man, I thought it's was Chevy's version of the Miata.

Thank you. I will cancel my order now.
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I doubt they will do a timed lap with the Z/28. They never did one with the ZL1 or 1LE.
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I doubt they will do a timed lap with the Z/28. They never did one with the ZL1 or 1LE.
They are afraid it will shame some of their favorite super cars....
For 1/3 the price.
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I think these specialty cars Z/28, XLE, ZL1 (Mustang GT500 included) are more for advertising and brand bragging than real world driving (streets/roads/highways-not tracks). This Z28 is 3,820 pounds dry, I read all the silly things they did just to cut 8 pounds here and eight pounds there. A greater weight reduction is achieved by removing the spare tire and jack from a GT and that does not raise the price. This euro assessment is accurate. There are some enviable things about camaro, but weight and size are not two of them. The Z28 is a track performer by overkill engine and tires. It is likely a gas hog on the road and a summer car only. In interest of fair disclosure I think the Mustang GT500 is in the same place. The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 XLE or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
PS - The Z/28 actually weighs the same as a 2014 Mustang GT convertible, but it's over a foot longer, it's wider, and it has a real IRS.

The GT500 coupe is heavier than the Z/28 yet it has a solid axle.
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3,820 pounds is the curb weight and not the dry weight.......

Also the Z/28 isn't just a great engine and tires, it also has amazing brakes and suspension as well as an amazing drive line.... and really the whole package is there though it is a focused track car based on the Camaro.....
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The Boss 302, while not matching the power numbers and track numbers is a far better street driving man's machine than GT500 Z28 XLE or ZL1. It is more balanced, more responsive, more efficient, and more fun than any of these bad boy brutes. Chevy mimics all the Mustang derivations. The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
Umm.. no. Do you even know what a 1LE is? That will destroy the Boss 302. The Z/28 answers to nothing that Ford has in the stable.

As to the more balanced comment. You clearly have not driven a ZL1 with the magnetic suspension. Otherwise you would not make such a comment.

Oh and BTW, who is coming out with a IRS this year? Would that be the Mustang? But how can that be if the Camaro has IRS and mimics Ford. oh and btw, next gen stangs are heavier.. 300lbs heavier. Enjoy!
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They are afraid it will shame some of their favorite super cars....
For 1/3 the price.
The last Chevy I remember them testing was the C6 Z06 and they ripped it even though it was faster than most of the cars on the board.
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The Z28 answers the Boss 302. I think it misses. You can make an army tank fast, but it is still an army tank.
Based on the reaction from the Boss 302 Club members, over the weekend at Thunderhill, I believe you're wrong. They were incredibly jazzed about my car and had a ton of questions. After watching and hearing it on track, I think they were impressed.

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I never understand why they are always drifting the cars, that's not the fast way around the track. One time they blew up the tires and didn't have any replacements...
It's all about the slow-motion video footage, set to dramatic music. Once I realized TopGear is entertainment, and only peripherally about automobiles, I was able to relax and enjoy the show. Even with that blowhard Clarkson...
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I love car shows but can't watch Top Gear, or Fifth Gear - they just can't ever say anything good about an American car. In fact, I've even watched shows where they'd praise everything about a non-US car then comment on things like the "dreadful American transmission" that it might have. They're clearly biased so I choose to not watch or put much faith in their opinions/reviews.

Wheeler Dealers is, I think, the only UK car show that seems to praise and condemn a car based on it's actual merits instead of it's nationality.
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