Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
HeadlightArmor
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Members Area > General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion

General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion Come chat about other cars.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-07-2009, 10:39 AM   #1
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2000 Ford Ranger
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,992
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Toyota's Reputation Takes a Pounding

Toyota's reputation takes a pounding
Massive recall is latest evidence that vaunted quality has slipped
October 7, 2009
By Paul A. Eisenstein

Link to article

Quote:
It can take years to build a reputation. Now Toyota has to wonder and worry how quickly an image can be shattered. This should have been a great year for the Japanese maker, which knocked down king-of-the-hill General Motors in late 2008 to become the world’s best-selling automaker. But Toyota hasn’t had much time to celebrate. The carmaker has been plagued by a variety of setbacks, including slumping sales, under-utilized assembly lines and multibillion-dollar losses.

But perhaps most worrisome of all are signs that the company’s vaunted quality has been slipping. Long hailed as the industry benchmark, some key Toyota products have suffered quality snags in recent years. That includes the new Tundra pickup, which Toyota had hoped would finally give it a foothold in the full-size truck market, the last segment controlled by the Big Three.

On Wednesday, The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it has launched a probe into Toyota's 2000 and 2001 model year Tundra pickups after authorities received complaints alleging that "severe frame corrosion" caused brake system failures or spare tire separation.

While the company insists it is getting its quality control sorted out, last week’s recall of 3.8 million Toyota and Lexus-badged vehicles certainly doesn’t help on the image front. The recall is meant to replace floor mats that can unexpectedly snag the accelerator pedal, making it difficult to slow a vehicle down. It was ordered after a California state trooper and three family members were killed in a related accident involving a Lexus.
More at the link.
__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

2003 GMC Envoy SLE - Airaid Cold Air Intake, Gibson Performance Catback Exhaust
2000 Ford Ranger XLT Regular Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 10:48 AM   #2
Zabo
Bowtie to the brim
 
Zabo's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 R6P 2SS/RS M6, '96 S10 ZR2 M5
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Woodhaven, Michigan
Posts: 9,584
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6
Black on Black, Silver Rally Stripes, NPP Exhaust, 1LE Rear Diffuser,
SLP Z/28 style Blackwing CAI
Zabo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 10:49 AM   #3
All-Or-Nothing
Account Suspended
 
Drives: BMW 6 series Vert
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Right Here
Posts: 978
I don't think most of what has happened lately will have much bearing on Toyota. Reliability and price are some very strong motivators and they have no problems in this area.
All-Or-Nothing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 10:51 AM   #4
Xanthos
Almost-Original Postwhore
 
Xanthos's Avatar
 
Drives: Stick
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 12,658
As much as I wanted to see Toyota fail horribly (because the attitude most of their fans took was the same "blind fanboyism" that they accused us - the domestic car buyers - of having) I would have rather it didn't involve any deaths.

But, as for their declining business... SUCKS FOR YOU TOYOTA!
- X
__________________
Xanthos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 10:52 AM   #5
Xanthos
Almost-Original Postwhore
 
Xanthos's Avatar
 
Drives: Stick
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 12,658
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
I don't think most of what has happened lately will have much bearing on Toyota. Reliability and price are some very strong motivators and they have no problems in this area.
No problems on reliability?

Did you even read the thing? 2000-2001 models with THROUGH-RUST on the frame thats so bad its causing brake failure?

That doesn't seem very reliable to me.
- X
__________________
Xanthos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 10:54 AM   #6
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2000 Ford Ranger
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,992
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
I don't think most of what has happened lately will have much bearing on Toyota. Reliability and price are some very strong motivators and they have no problems in this area.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

2003 GMC Envoy SLE - Airaid Cold Air Intake, Gibson Performance Catback Exhaust
2000 Ford Ranger XLT Regular Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:00 AM   #7
Zabo
Bowtie to the brim
 
Zabo's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 R6P 2SS/RS M6, '96 S10 ZR2 M5
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Woodhaven, Michigan
Posts: 9,584
Quote:
Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Especially when MSNBC is reporting it..

You know it's not going under the rug. They're still reaming GM over 9 year old recalls..

I just told a friend who's roommate has a Tundra. He shat brix. I lol'd.

EDIT: Also, best line ever: Demitrios Billar; the Ralph Nader of Toyota. XD
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6
Black on Black, Silver Rally Stripes, NPP Exhaust, 1LE Rear Diffuser,
SLP Z/28 style Blackwing CAI
Zabo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:02 AM   #8
All-Or-Nothing
Account Suspended
 
Drives: BMW 6 series Vert
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Right Here
Posts: 978
Quote:
Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Maybe I should say it's not mentioned as much by the media so without that a lot of people still view Toyota as reliable, affordable, reasonably nice cars. Maybe all this new attention will change things but i really doubt it will have a severe bankruptcy type of affect.
All-Or-Nothing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:06 AM   #9
Zabo
Bowtie to the brim
 
Zabo's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 R6P 2SS/RS M6, '96 S10 ZR2 M5
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Woodhaven, Michigan
Posts: 9,584
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
Maybe I should say it's not mentioned as much by the media so without that a lot of people still view Toyota as reliable, affordable, reasonably nice cars. Maybe all this new attention will change things but i really doubt it will have a severe bankruptcy type of affect.
Oh, like driving people into GM dealerships for the Equinox and Camaro, which can't be kept in stock long enough?

Or the SRX.. or the LaCrosse..

Not to mention those going to Ford dealerships for the Taurus, Fusion, and those eagerly awaiting the Focus and Fiestas..

Sowwy, Toyoduh..
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6
Black on Black, Silver Rally Stripes, NPP Exhaust, 1LE Rear Diffuser,
SLP Z/28 style Blackwing CAI
Zabo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:19 AM   #10
All-Or-Nothing
Account Suspended
 
Drives: BMW 6 series Vert
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Right Here
Posts: 978
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zabo View Post
Oh, like driving people into GM dealerships for the Equinox and Camaro, which can't be kept in stock long enough?

Or the SRX.. or the LaCrosse..

Not to mention those going to Ford dealerships for the Taurus, Fusion, and those eagerly awaiting the Focus and Fiestas..

Sowwy, Toyoduh..

Very true.........I think Ford and GM's current and soon coming car lineups will do more to hurt Toyota than anything else.
All-Or-Nothing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:55 AM   #11
MrIcky

 
MrIcky's Avatar
 
Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Boise
Posts: 1,536
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
Very true.........I think Ford and GM's current and soon coming car lineups will do more to hurt Toyota than anything else.
I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
MrIcky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 11:57 AM   #12
Camaro_Corvette
36.833283,-76.021958
 
Camaro_Corvette's Avatar
 
Drives: Team 1LE
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 23,168
It's great that this is finally coming out. Heck, I remember having arguments about Toyotas expansion being too fast back in college, and that was a few years ago.
__________________
I hate parking threads...
Camaro_Corvette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:26 PM   #13
Zabo
Bowtie to the brim
 
Zabo's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 R6P 2SS/RS M6, '96 S10 ZR2 M5
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Woodhaven, Michigan
Posts: 9,584
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette View Post
It's great that this is finally coming out. Heck, I remember having arguments about Toyotas expansion being too fast back in college, and that was a few years ago.
Toyota: Live fast.. f**k up HARD!
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6
Black on Black, Silver Rally Stripes, NPP Exhaust, 1LE Rear Diffuser,
SLP Z/28 style Blackwing CAI
Zabo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:34 PM   #14
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2000 Ford Ranger
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,992
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
I think it'll be a combination of both...toyota growing too rapidly and not knowing how to handle such rapid growth, and GM and Ford putting out best in class products time after time.
__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

2003 GMC Envoy SLE - Airaid Cold Air Intake, Gibson Performance Catback Exhaust
2000 Ford Ranger XLT Regular Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:35 PM   #15
Tactical Z
Banned
 
Drives: Nissan Titan
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 8,684


I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
Tactical Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:38 PM   #16
Zabo
Bowtie to the brim
 
Zabo's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 R6P 2SS/RS M6, '96 S10 ZR2 M5
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Woodhaven, Michigan
Posts: 9,584
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactical Z View Post


I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
I did too, until I sat in one at NAIAS 07. Ate my knees for lunch on the hard PVC dash. Supra.. never really liked it. Later generations looked too cartoony for my taste.
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6
Black on Black, Silver Rally Stripes, NPP Exhaust, 1LE Rear Diffuser,
SLP Z/28 style Blackwing CAI
Zabo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:45 PM   #17
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2000 Ford Ranger
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,992
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactical Z View Post


I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
Toyota designer: Hey guys, let's see how thick we can make the C-pillar. 20 bucks says I can make it thicker than you.
__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

2003 GMC Envoy SLE - Airaid Cold Air Intake, Gibson Performance Catback Exhaust
2000 Ford Ranger XLT Regular Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 12:49 PM   #18
Tactical Z
Banned
 
Drives: Nissan Titan
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 8,684
Quote:
Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
Toyota designer: Hey guys, let's see how thick we can make the C-pillar. 20 bucks says I can make it thicker than you.
It just looks sporty..

And i've never been in one, next time i go to Austin, i am gonna sit in one.
Tactical Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:02 PM   #19
FenwickHockey65
General Motors Aficionado
 
FenwickHockey65's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 GMC Envoy SLE/2000 Ford Ranger
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 31,992
Send a message via AIM to FenwickHockey65
Oh dear Tac.

This...



Or this...

__________________
FenwickHockey65's GM Thread!

2003 GMC Envoy SLE - Airaid Cold Air Intake, Gibson Performance Catback Exhaust
2000 Ford Ranger XLT Regular Cab (State-issued)
FenwickHockey65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:21 PM   #20
MikesZ
Group Provocateur
 
Drives: Long Distances
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,021
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
+1. Excellent statement. Ford and GM will only win because of excellent products.
__________________
MikesZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:29 PM   #21
Captain Awesome
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 3,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactical Z View Post


I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
Oooh look... an H3 Wannabe!
Captain Awesome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:30 PM   #22
rodimus prime
Account Suspended
 
Drives: Cargo van.
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Metal Metal Land
Posts: 1,248
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
Umm. If Toyota fails because its quality is lacking...that would mean American cars are winning because they have the better product.


When one team wins a football game its because they are better than the other team regardless of fumbles or interceptions thrown...the winning team has the same opportunity to fumble and throw picks. Dont forget that.

I know the UAW will never go away...I have accepted this and I hate it. That being said....Toyota, honda, ect still use the same American workers to do the same work as their domestic building counterparts....Why dont they have to use the same union? Its a total unfair advantage to the import companies.

Well that and millions upon millions in tax breaks for import companies to build factories here.
rodimus prime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:35 PM   #23
Tactical Z
Banned
 
Drives: Nissan Titan
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 8,684
Quote:
Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
Oh dear Tac.

This...



Or this...

:( I always fall for the Terrain, so Terrain it is.
Tactical Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 01:49 PM   #24
Xanthos
Almost-Original Postwhore
 
Xanthos's Avatar
 
Drives: Stick
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 12,658
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactical Z View Post
:( I always fall for the Terrain, so Terrain it is.
Good choice, P-Nut. You may get that PhD afterall.
- X
__________________
Xanthos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2009, 02:13 PM   #25
Rallysport
Go Cardinals!
 
Rallysport's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS 6-speed
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 853
Quote:
Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
I don't think most of what has happened lately will have much bearing on Toyota. Reliability and price are some very strong motivators and they have no problems in this area.
Please stop drinking the toyota kool-aid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanthos View Post
No problems on reliability?

Did you even read the thing? 2000-2001 models with THROUGH-RUST on the frame thats so bad its causing brake failure?

That doesn't seem very reliable to me.
- X
Exactly....and this isn't the only case.
__________________
Rallysport is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Toyota takes sales crown from GM gsxrpilot General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 1 01-29-2009 06:51 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.