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Old 10-21-2009, 07:33 PM   #1
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:11 PM   #2
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IMO I don't think you should be required to drive stick to get your license only because there's no "safety" benfit of manual vs. auto, except in the snow. But manual sure is a hell lot more fun to drive!!!
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:14 PM   #3
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:31 PM   #5
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Gonna have to vote NO on this one.......
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they should make it a lot harder to get your drivers license. too many idiots on the road these days.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:38 PM   #7
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What if you were out with someone that had a stick and they had a medical problem. You have no cell service and not a lot of time. I bet you wish you knew how than. there are many other good reason to know.
There are alot of good reasons why you should know but I notice alot more people drive auto than stick, at least around me. Its an art thats slowly declining. So you're very rarely gonna be put in a situation like that, if ever, so there's really no necessary need to know how to drive manual. If people were dropping left and right in their cars every day, then I could understand. There just isn't a practical reason to make it mandatory.( I hope that last sentence makes sense)
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:39 PM   #8
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they should make it a lot harder to get your drivers license. too many idiots on the road these days.
Totally and 100% agree with you on that.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:43 PM   #9
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Well another post made me think of this. Should everyone be required to learn to drive a stick in order to get their driver license. What do you guy's think. I really think they should.
I like the idea..but I don't see it happening..with all the autos out there now
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:11 PM   #10
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How often do you see a car with a stick anymore? They are getting less common nowdays. The local high school drivers ed uses automatics so the students don't learn how anymore.. Some of the students have never seen a car with crank up windows or manually adjusted seats..
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:38 PM   #11
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Well, I can tell you one car that caused a lot more manuals to be out there, and their are a lot of people that now wish they could drive a stick. Most countries outside the us have more manuals than auto's. Better gas mpg also.
Automatics these days have been tuned and calibrated so well that the MPG benefit of a manual is minimal now. Sometimes automatics are even better.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:56 PM   #12
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there is no benefit of offering Manuals only... if anything it will give the already bad drivers out there something else to worry about while driving. Your plan would also eliminate most people with a bad knee, or people above the age of 50.
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Well another post made me think of this. Should everyone be required to learn to drive a stick in order to get their driver license. What do you guy's think. I really think they should.
I think it would be awesome just for the simple fact it might, MIGHT I said, give a small portion of people who make the switch something to do with their other hand, rather than grab a cell phone.
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On the other hand, I think you would have to give them more levers than that to deter some folks.
lol True.

I actually remember seeing an episode of Top Gear where it mentioned that..Finland(I think?) made people learn how to drive using a stick and are probably one of the countries that have the least amount of a-holes per square acre on the road. Not exactly in that wording, but you get the drift.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:19 PM   #15
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there are also some people that just can't drive a stick, not necessarily because physical handicap, but just can't learn to drive a manual decently
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I don't think it's a must.. but it should definitely be encouraged. I think the move to Automatics was a dumb move in drivers ed cars. It just furthers the "dumb drivers" disease by starting them as just that..

Pedal pushing mindless zombies that have a good perchance to put their bumper into your rear.

I REALLY wish I had the chance to learn on a Manual. My parents HATE them and actually refused to allow me to learn saying that it's more distracting and dangerous than driving an automatic. The only way I learned was driving a 4 speed gator.. and even then I still suck 7 years later (I don't consistently drive a stick.. maybe 2 times a year at the most).

I've learned over the years to keep my cool when I KNOW that learning to drive stick is one of the best things you can do to learn the practices of safe and defensive driving (riding a motorcycle is the other).

It's not only sad.. it's pathetic. VERY pathetic. Speaking of which.. the local schools in Kalamazoo use Priuses exclusively.
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I never had the opportunity either...the Saturn died before I started driving.

I understand the basic principle behind it, I've just never been able to do it before outside of a parking lot.
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[QUOTE=coolman;1074316][QUOTE=Zabo My parents HATE them and actually refused to allow me to learn saying that it's more distracting and dangerous than driving an automatic.

I don't get why people say it's distracting. If anything it makes you more aware because you have to pay attention to know when to shift. Once you learn it becomes no more distracting than pushing the gas or turning the wheel.[/QUOTE]

Exactly..

I tell them this and their response:

"They're still horrible in snow and you can't go up a hill with them."



They also believe it's required to have 4WD in snow, and that anything 2WD is an accident waiting to happen.

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The Camaro will be my first manual.. and the test drive will be the 3rd time I've driven one on the road. <_<
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:51 PM   #19
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Well another post made me think of this. Should everyone be required to learn to drive a stick in order to get their driver license. What do you guy's think. I really think they should.
not in a day that automatics are faster than stick.

i could care less about stick
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I'm starting to see why now , in the movies during a chase scene when a guy shifts a car hundred times while going at a steady speed a lot of people these days don't say anything.
We are creating a lost generation.
No, just a generation whose parents had sh!tty cars/transmissions.

Same rationale behind the Toyota Zombies. My mom had a Dodge Omni.. 6 months later she traded it (guess why..). My dad had an '86 Ranger and found it 'annoying' while he tried to enjoy his coffee at 4AM.

Whatever.. I'm getting one regardless. They can only say "you'll be soooorreeee~" so many times before I snap. Again. For the umpteenth time.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:14 PM   #21
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they should make it a lot harder to get your drivers license. too many idiots on the road these days.
like those calif's that love doing the calif roll, almost got hit by a withc doing that today lol
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not in a day that automatics are faster than stick.

i could care less about stick
My summer daily driver is a 6sp manual (man) lol but my winter & race cars are all auto.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:42 PM   #22
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Personally, I don't think its a good idea to REQUIRE it.
It is a good idea to people to learn to drive a stick but as for requiring it, not so much.

I'm a big fan of stickshifts but with my nerve problem, driving one isn't always an option. I know that when I got my 02 Vette (auto) I wished it was a manual. But, on the drive home my left arm suddeny went into max pain mode and I couldn't touch anything with it. Got stuck in stop and go traffic and a stick you have sent me to near screaming.
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It would give some people a little more respect when they crawl up your ass on a hill thats for sure.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:28 PM   #24
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I kinda wish it was at least an option. I was taught in a Buick Century and my first car was an old Volvo 4spd with electronic overdrive. That was trial and error for the first year. Burnt up that clutch in only 8k, too.

Manuals are probably cheaper to rebuild when they get to the point where they need it, too. Only autos I've seen that compare to manuals in case of fuel economy are either 8 gears or dual clutch. And sure those would cost more than the $2000 it cost my dad with the 3rd gen Z28(auto).

And I have seen drivers with sticks that still have cell phones stuck to their ears.

As for the movies that shift hundreds of times...I only remember a couple. I remember more movies with the guy that cocks the shotgun every few seconds without ever firing it.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:14 AM   #25
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I think that getting a license should be WAY harder than it is. And that if you don't have handsfree bluetooth, your cell phone automaticallt turns of when you get in the car.

Oh and that texting gets disabled too..... I have seen soooo many people drifting into other lanes cause they are saying "where R U? LOL" to their other stupid little text friends.
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