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FirstLSK · 11-07-2009, 09:34 PM

Well, I went by the book for the entire break-in period. Oil changed at 60, 500, and now 1550 miles on the ODO. Along with the oil I also changed the fluids in the rear differential, and tremec 6060 transmission.

Based on all of the metal particles, I would strongly suggest that you change these fluids around 1500 miles.

I wanted to see both the big pieces and the little pieces so I strained the fluids with clean white T-shirts. The rear diff. has magnets on both the drain and fill plugs. Both of them had large blobs of metal shavings on them. I took a picture of a plug after it was cleaned for comparison. The diff fluid looked like a liquid metal due to all of the small particles. New, the fluid is perfectly clear. The T-shirt had quite a bit of large shavings too. Definately NOT something you want to keep running on IMHO.

The Tremec wasn't as bad. Very few large particles. The fluid, however looked like I had a tub of RJT paint.

Pictures attached.

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GQ4Life · 11-07-2009, 11:17 PM

thats not good.. im do same thanxs

Legend · 11-07-2009, 11:49 PM

I've done the oil as the manual states but not the differential yet...car has not been driven though more than a few miles since early August...once I get her back the differential will be done along with the tranny and oil again.

Thanks for the pics and post...just reminds me I need to get this done!

RS/SS · 11-08-2009, 12:05 AM

OK, I've looked over the owners manual and for the life of me I can't find this info you guys are reffering to. Is this in the owners manual and if so what page? Or is this in the service manual?

superstockcam · 11-08-2009, 12:50 AM

Weird, I have not seen anything like this coming out of my car??? engine was done @ 500 and 1500 non detergent, 3000 standard oil, trans and diff today @ 3500 both clean as a whistle, a little on the magnet but nothing like I see in the pics.

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FirstLSK · 11-08-2009, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS/SS

OK, I've looked over the owners manual and for the life of me I can't find this info you guys are reffering to. Is this in the owners manual and if so what page? Or is this in the service manual?

Look at page 8-16 and 8-17 for the break in information. I am not going to be racing my car but with as much power as the LS3 has, it's impossible not to peg out the @$$ dyno every now and again. Beyond that, I was a jet mechanic for 4 years (USAF) and an auto mechanic for 5. Changing out these fluids is a very good practice for someone who demands longivity and sustained tight tolorances out of their vehicle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstockcam

Weird, I have not seen anything like this coming out of my car??? engine was done @ 500 and 1500 non detergent, 3000 standard oil, trans and diff today @ 3500 both clean as a whistle, a little on the magnet but nothing like I see in the pics.

Having these particles is nothing to be afraid of. They should be there on a new car. If you didn't see them then that just means you didn't look closely enough or that yours isn't finished breaking in yet. Remember, I used white T-shirts to intentionally show the particles. A new manufactured transmission and differential will always make these particles. It is a part of the natural break in process where the gears will lap together and remove the machined texture on the contact portions of the gear teeth.

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SleepWarz · 11-09-2009, 01:57 PM

I'll be doing this next spring.

round 6000 miles.

wullger · 11-13-2009, 03:06 PM

I'll keep this in mind; I have about 3200 miles on my L99, and took it in for its first oil change today.

2SSjack · 11-14-2009, 08:03 PM

Just did my engine and trans at 1445 miles. Motor oil looked great! Also did the M6 tranny. No major surprises. I did strain the old fluid thru a paint strainer/filter(same as for a spray gun); no issues!. Filled w/8qts. Mobil 1 5W-30; trans w/Mobil ! Synthetic ATF, Dexronn III spec. I SWEAR after about 25-30 miles the tranny did free-up a little! Plan to do rear tomorrow; also w/Mobil Synthetic plus GM additive.

Michael_Js · 11-20-2009, 11:35 AM

FYI: The fill & drain nuts are taken out with the end of a 3/8" ratchet! Torque: 24 lbs. Easy change to do, even with the Zoomer's exhaust!

Thanks again!
Michael J.

canadian ss · 11-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Why didn't you use GL-5 fluid. You wouldn't have needed the additive. The GL-5 exceedes 75-90/additive combo. The GM parts counter should of told you that. 75-90/additive is old news. Great for live axle 3-4 gen f-bods. You could use either one, but the GL-5 is newer technology.

canadian ss · 11-20-2009, 12:27 PM

2010 Chevrolet Camaro | Camaro (VIN F) Service Manual | Driveline/Axle | Rear Drive Axle | Specifications | Document ID: 2214285
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Lubrication Specifications
Capacities Application
Quantity

Metric
English

Synthetic Differential Lubricant GL-5 75W90 G/M P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678)

Note: The following is for vehicles equipped with the Limited Slip Differential option. The Limited Slip Additive container capacity is greater than the amount needed. Only add the amount specified, 0.075 L (2.6 oz.).

Limited Slip Differential Lubricant Additive. Refer to Adhesives, Fluids, Lubricants, and Sealers.

For vehicles equipped the Limited Slip Differential
1.0 L
1.1 Qt

For vehicles not equipped with the Limited Slip Differential
0.9 L
1.0 Qt

© 2009 General Motors. All rights reserved.

canadian ss · 11-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Just checked our parts dept. and the bottle says GL-5 on it.

OUR72GTO · 11-20-2009, 12:37 PM

I sent mine out for analysis. Came back clean as a whistle at 3000 miles. Sodium was detected. No metals.

canadian ss · 11-20-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OUR72GTO

I sent mine out for analysis. Came back clean as a whistle at 3000 miles. Sodium was detected. No metals.

Which fluid did you go with?

OUR72GTO · 11-20-2009, 03:34 PM

Castrol GTX 5W30. I am not touching the diff.

FirstLSK · 11-20-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadian ss

Why didn't you use GL-5 fluid. You wouldn't have needed the additive. The GL-5 exceedes 75-90/additive combo. The GM parts counter should of told you that. 75-90/additive is old news. Great for live axle 3-4 gen f-bods. You could use either one, but the GL-5 is newer technology.

I went with the spec in the manual.

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Michael_Js · 11-27-2009, 12:50 PM

Did anyone else have issues filling the tranny with the new fluid? I thought I could force a bottle up there like I did with the differential, but it was a NO go :( I'm glad I had my mityvac brake fluid pump! I used it to suck out the new oil and pump it into the tranny. Worked like a charm!

Gunsmoke · 11-27-2009, 01:29 PM

any tips on changing the diff. fluid? tranny? any snags to watch for?

Michael_Js · 11-27-2009, 03:36 PM

Both take a 3/8" ratchet to remove the 2 plugs - drain/fill. If you have the stock exhaust, pretty simple to change the diff fluid. Unless someone else didn't have the tranny issues, I found NO way to get the new fluid in! I had to use my brake fluid pump to get it in, which worked great! I suggest getting an oil pump with a flexible hose. Otherwise, it was very straightforward.

Good luck!

Gunsmoke · 11-28-2009, 10:19 AM

great! thanks a ton!!!

Michael_Js · 11-28-2009, 10:39 AM

Differential Torque: 24 lbs; not sure on the tranny.

You're welcome!

amphi · 12-14-2009, 11:09 AM

I am confused on how the manaul is telling me this. Do I mix 29.5 oz of Lube with 2.5 oz of friction modifier to equal exactly one quart? Or does the manual want me to fill the entire diff with one quart of lube and then add the 2.5 oz. I would hate to start this little project, and then to find out my new fluid is overfilling and dripping onto the floor. Thanks.

Michael_Js · 12-14-2009, 12:30 PM

You can't overfill it as it will just pour out the fill hole. Looks like 1.1 qts according to the above - with a limited slip diff. Anyway, just put the friction modifier in first, then fill the rest with the diff oil until it comes out the hole

then clean up the excess and plug it...

FirstLSK · 12-14-2009, 07:46 PM

When I changed mine, the total capacity was 1 qt. I had a litte gear lube left over (about 2.5 oz.)

Put the 2.5 oz. frict. mod. in first then top off until it overflows. Put plug in, torque and smile.

11-07-2009, 09:34 PM	#1
FirstLSK Dude, I love my car !!!! Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS white rally Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 811	Changed the Diff and M6 trans fluid today... Well, I went by the book for the entire break-in period. Oil changed at 60, 500, and now 1550 miles on the ODO. Along with the oil I also changed the fluids in the rear differential, and tremec 6060 transmission. Based on all of the metal particles, I would strongly suggest that you change these fluids around 1500 miles. I wanted to see both the big pieces and the little pieces so I strained the fluids with clean white T-shirts. The rear diff. has magnets on both the drain and fill plugs. Both of them had large blobs of metal shavings on them. I took a picture of a plug after it was cleaned for comparison. The diff fluid looked like a liquid metal due to all of the small particles. New, the fluid is perfectly clear. The T-shirt had quite a bit of large shavings too. Definately NOT something you want to keep running on IMHO. The Tremec wasn't as bad. Very few large particles. The fluid, however looked like I had a tub of RJT paint. Pictures attached. . Attached Images __________________ -------------------------------------------------

11-07-2009, 11:17 PM	#2
GQ4Life Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fishkill, NY Posts: 3,940 View My Garage	thats not good.. im do same thanxs __________________

11-08-2009, 12:05 AM	#4
RS/SS The wait is over!! Drives: 2010 Camaro RS/SS IOM Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 189	OK, I've looked over the owners manual and for the life of me I can't find this info you guys are reffering to. Is this in the owners manual and if so what page? Or is this in the service manual? __________________ 2010 RS/2SS IOM/IOI MN6 SunRoof Polished 20's

11-08-2009, 12:50 AM	#5
superstockcam Member Drives: a Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: here Posts: 932	Weird, I have not seen anything like this coming out of my car??? engine was done @ 500 and 1500 non detergent, 3000 standard oil, trans and diff today @ 3500 both clean as a whistle, a little on the magnet but nothing like I see in the pics. ________ Vaporizer Guide Last edited by superstockcam; 04-19-2011 at 03:21 AM.

11-13-2009, 03:06 PM	#8
wullger Bring on the Supercharger Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tyler, Texas Posts: 1,508 View My Garage	I'll keep this in mind; I have about 3200 miles on my L99, and took it in for its first oil change today. __________________ 2SS/RS IBM A6, White Rallies 1100: 4/30/09 2000: 6/30/09 3000: 6/30/09 3300: 7/15/09 TPW of 7/27! 3400: 7/22/09 3800: 7/28/09 #30334!! 4B00: 7/30/09 4200: 8/5/09 6000: DELIVERED! 8/18/09 Last edited by wullger; 11-13-2009 at 03:17 PM.

11-07-2009, 11:49 PM	#3
Legend Hello! Drives: 2008 JSB Z06! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,625 View My Garage	I've done the oil as the manual states but not the differential yet...car has not been driven though more than a few miles since early August...once I get her back the differential will be done along with the tranny and oil again. Thanks for the pics and post...just reminds me I need to get this done!

11-09-2009, 01:57 PM	#7
SleepWarz Banned Drives: 1991 New Yorker, 69 Tbird, ABM2SSRS Join Date: May 2009 Location: BC Canada Posts: 2,259 View My Garage	I'll be doing this next spring. round 6000 miles.

11-14-2009, 08:03 PM	#9
2SSjack Drives: 2010 2SS Camaro; Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Burbank, Illinois Posts: 49	Just did my engine and trans at 1445 miles. Motor oil looked great! Also did the M6 tranny. No major surprises. I did strain the old fluid thru a paint strainer/filter(same as for a spray gun); no issues!. Filled w/8qts. Mobil 1 5W-30; trans w/Mobil ! Synthetic ATF, Dexronn III spec. I SWEAR after about 25-30 miles the tranny did free-up a little! Plan to do rear tomorrow; also w/Mobil Synthetic plus GM additive.

11-20-2009, 11:35 AM	#10
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,329 View My Garage	FYI: The fill & drain nuts are taken out with the end of a 3/8" ratchet! Torque: 24 lbs. Easy change to do, even with the Zoomer's exhaust! Thanks again! Michael J. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; Subthump; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

11-20-2009, 12:26 PM	#11
canadian ss Psycho on day pass Drives: 2010 yellow 1ss m6 -GM tech Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: grimsby, ont. Posts: 436 View My Garage	Why didn't you use GL-5 fluid. You wouldn't have needed the additive. The GL-5 exceedes 75-90/additive combo. The GM parts counter should of told you that. 75-90/additive is old news. Great for live axle 3-4 gen f-bods. You could use either one, but the GL-5 is newer technology.

11-20-2009, 12:27 PM	#12
canadian ss Psycho on day pass Drives: 2010 yellow 1ss m6 -GM tech Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: grimsby, ont. Posts: 436 View My Garage	2010 Chevrolet Camaro \| Camaro (VIN F) Service Manual \| Driveline/Axle \| Rear Drive Axle \| Specifications \| Document ID: 2214285 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lubrication Specifications Capacities Application Quantity Metric English Synthetic Differential Lubricant GL-5 75W90 G/M P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678) Note: The following is for vehicles equipped with the Limited Slip Differential option. The Limited Slip Additive container capacity is greater than the amount needed. Only add the amount specified, 0.075 L (2.6 oz.). Limited Slip Differential Lubricant Additive. Refer to Adhesives, Fluids, Lubricants, and Sealers. For vehicles equipped the Limited Slip Differential 1.0 L 1.1 Qt For vehicles not equipped with the Limited Slip Differential 0.9 L 1.0 Qt © 2009 General Motors. All rights reserved.

11-20-2009, 12:29 PM	#13
canadian ss Psycho on day pass Drives: 2010 yellow 1ss m6 -GM tech Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: grimsby, ont. Posts: 436 View My Garage	Just checked our parts dept. and the bottle says GL-5 on it.

11-20-2009, 12:37 PM	#14
OUR72GTO 2010 SIM Beige RS 6M Drives: SIM RS 6M 72 GTO 07 NBS Silverado Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kamloops,British Columbia Posts: 4,496	I sent mine out for analysis. Came back clean as a whistle at 3000 miles. Sodium was detected. No metals. __________________ CAMARO.. 2010 The Heart Beat is back in CHEVROLET Now let's put it back in America

11-20-2009, 03:34 PM	#16
OUR72GTO 2010 SIM Beige RS 6M Drives: SIM RS 6M 72 GTO 07 NBS Silverado Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kamloops,British Columbia Posts: 4,496	Castrol GTX 5W30. I am not touching the diff. __________________ CAMARO.. 2010 The Heart Beat is back in CHEVROLET Now let's put it back in America

11-27-2009, 12:50 PM	#18
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,329 View My Garage	Did anyone else have issues filling the tranny with the new fluid? I thought I could force a bottle up there like I did with the differential, but it was a NO go :( I'm glad I had my mityvac brake fluid pump! I used it to suck out the new oil and pump it into the tranny. Worked like a charm! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; Subthump; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

11-27-2009, 01:29 PM	#19
Gunsmoke wat? Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro SS RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 177	any tips on changing the diff. fluid? tranny? any snags to watch for? __________________

11-27-2009, 03:36 PM	#20
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,329 View My Garage	Both take a 3/8" ratchet to remove the 2 plugs - drain/fill. If you have the stock exhaust, pretty simple to change the diff fluid. Unless someone else didn't have the tranny issues, I found NO way to get the new fluid in! I had to use my brake fluid pump to get it in, which worked great! I suggest getting an oil pump with a flexible hose. Otherwise, it was very straightforward. Good luck! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; Subthump; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

11-28-2009, 10:19 AM	#21
Gunsmoke wat? Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro SS RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 177	great! thanks a ton!!! __________________

11-28-2009, 10:39 AM	#22
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,329 View My Garage	Differential Torque: 24 lbs; not sure on the tranny. You're welcome! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; Subthump; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

12-14-2009, 11:09 AM	#23
amphi Drives: 2SS Imperial Blue Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 31	I am confused on how the manaul is telling me this. Do I mix 29.5 oz of Lube with 2.5 oz of friction modifier to equal exactly one quart? Or does the manual want me to fill the entire diff with one quart of lube and then add the 2.5 oz. I would hate to start this little project, and then to find out my new fluid is overfilling and dripping onto the floor. Thanks.

12-14-2009, 12:30 PM	#24
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,329 View My Garage	You can't overfill it as it will just pour out the fill hole. Looks like 1.1 qts according to the above - with a limited slip diff. Anyway, just put the friction modifier in first, then fill the rest with the diff oil until it comes out the hole then clean up the excess and plug it... __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; Subthump; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

12-14-2009, 07:46 PM	#25
FirstLSK Dude, I love my car !!!! Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS white rally Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 811	When I changed mine, the total capacity was 1 qt. I had a litte gear lube left over (about 2.5 oz.) Put the 2.5 oz. frict. mod. in first then top off until it overflows. Put plug in, torque and smile. __________________ -------------------------------------------------