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Old 07-22-2008, 12:05 AM   #1
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Automatic faster than the manual???

According to a post from Edmunds Inside Line.................

"According to Oppenheiser, the new 300-horsepower 3.6-liter V6-equipped Camaro will run from zero to 60 mph in 6.1 seconds regardless of transmission choice. The V6 coupe will cover the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds with an auto and 14.7 seconds with a manual, both at 97 mph. The brakes don't sound quite as impressive, though, as Oppenheiser said the base Camaro stops from 60 to zero mph in 132 feet.

Not surprisingly, the V8-equipped Camaro SS delivers better numbers across the board. Chevy's Camaro SS outfitted with the 422-hp 6.2-liter LS3 V8 six-speed manual hits 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and runs a 13.4-second quarter-mile at 108 mph according to Oppenheiser. Strangely enough, Oppenheiser also claims that the automatic-equipped SS Camaro, which is rated at 400 hp, runs from zero to 60 mph in just 4.6 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds. "We optimized the shift points," he said.

Both versions of the V8 Camaro SS pull a maximum 0.90 g on the skid pad. Four-piston Brembo brakes help stop the Camaro SS in 117 feet."
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:06 AM   #2
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automatics lately have had better gear ratios for acceleration then manuals. look at the sky's. the auto is faster 0-60. . .
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According to a post from Edmunds Inside Line.................

"According to Oppenheiser, the new 300-horsepower 3.6-liter V6-equipped Camaro will run from zero to 60 mph in 6.1 seconds regardless of transmission choice. The V6 coupe will cover the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds with an auto and 14.7 seconds with a manual, both at 97 mph. The brakes don't sound quite as impressive, though, as Oppenheiser said the base Camaro stops from 60 to zero mph in 132 feet.

Not surprisingly, the V8-equipped Camaro SS delivers better numbers across the board. Chevy's Camaro SS outfitted with the 422-hp 6.2-liter LS3 V8 six-speed manual hits 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and runs a 13.4-second quarter-mile at 108 mph according to Oppenheiser. Strangely enough, Oppenheiser also claims that the automatic-equipped SS Camaro, which is rated at 400 hp, runs from zero to 60 mph in just 4.6 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds. "We optimized the shift points," he said.

Both versions of the V8 Camaro SS pull a maximum 0.90 g on the skid pad. Four-piston Brembo brakes help stop the Camaro SS in 117 feet."
Wow not the performance number I was hoping for. I hope that the SS (Camaro) manual can manage something better than that! 13.4 1/4, not even close to cutting it for me! :upset:
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i wonder if they use the paddle shifters when they do these kinds of tests?
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Wow not the performance number I was hopping for. I hope that the SS (Camaro) manual can manage something better than that! 13.4 1/4, not even close to cutting it for me! :upset:
you remember that 01 and 02 were only rated at 13.2-13.5 but yet some people are getting 12.8's and 12.9's out of them? it all depends on where they're doing the testing (altitude), winds, temp, and most importantly driver. but expect better numbers once it's released.
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Doesn't the Mustang GT run like a 13.5 or something close to that?
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you remember that 01 and 02 were only rated at 13.2-13.5 but yet some people are getting 12.8's and 12.9's out of them? it all depends on where they're doing the testing (altitude), winds, temp, and most importantly driver. but expect better numbers once it's released.
I am trying to stay positive, but those numbers are socking even if it is the first test!
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i wonder if they use the paddle shifters when they do these kinds of tests?
If it doesn't have three pedals, I don't want it!!!!!!!!!
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I am trying to stay positive, but those numbers are socking even if it is the first test!
and this car weights 400 lbs more then a stock 98 z28. . .expect it to be a little faster with rated horsepower almost 100 more. . .
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Thats insaine. how can the auto be that much faster? that cant be right.

even the DCT transmission in an M3 is only .1 faster than the manual... and thats the best auto tranny in the world!!!
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Thats insaine. how can the auto be that much faster? that cant be right.

even the DCT transmission in an M3 is only .1 faster than the manual... and thats the best auto tranny in the world!!!
lol maybe some guy that wasn't sure where the shift points were on the stick got in it and did it. . .or maybe he miss quoted. but still lately auto's are faster then manuals. just manuals are more fun to drive.
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lol maybe some guy that wasn't sure where the shift points were on the stick got in it and did it. . .or maybe he miss quoted. but still lately auto's are faster then manuals. just manuals are more fun to drive.
Well. im all about speed, and now im in a hard spot. ive never owned a manual car before and was really looking forward to this being my first, but i dont know if thats locked in with the performance being so much poorer than the auto... UGGGGGGGGGGGGGH
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:36 AM   #13
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Most pro drag cars use automatic or powerglide transmissions. no clutch pedal = faster shifts. Only thing faster could be F1 paddleshifts. That's still pretty much automatic shifting though. You're just telling it when to shift instead of shifting the gears manually.
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I hope they got some orangatang with no knowladge of gears or launch control to test these cars.
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Thats insaine. how can the auto be that much faster? that cant be right.

even the DCT transmission in an M3 is only .1 faster than the manual... and thats the best auto tranny in the world!!!
Yeah I agree. Hoping those numbers are wrong or misleading! 3.45 is that what some of you would call aggressive gearing? Cause I think they could of upped it more than that.
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Also... does anyone know what kind of paddles they would be using? i got in a mallibu with paddles yesturday and found them to be... not so user friendly... usually (like on BMW's) you pull the paddles towards you to activate them, from the back of the paddle, but these you had to press like a gameboy w/ your thumb... it was akward
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Well. im all about speed, and now im in a hard spot. ive never owned a manual car before and was really looking forward to this being my first, but i dont know if thats locked in with the performance being so much poorer than the auto... UGGGGGGGGGGGGGH
Believe me when I tell you this because I don't say it lightly.

I'm a huge fan of driving a manual, and would rather any day race a manual on a track (any track). But to compete and the performance numbers that are there I believe i'm going to have to side with the auto and get me a paddle shifter car to race. it saddens me. but I want to be able to compete. . .
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Also... does anyone know what kind of paddles they would be using? i got in a mallibu with paddles yesturday and found them to be... not so user friendly... usually (like on BMW's) you pull the paddles towards you to activate them, from the back of the paddle, but these you had to press like a gameboy w/ your thumb... it was akward
you should still be able to pull them on the malibu. just should look like a + and - on the upper part of the steering wheel support. . .should. haven't actually sat in a new malibu but all the other cars gm has are that way.
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see, you have to push those paddles, not pull them.
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To downshift you pull, though, right?

I think their reasoning is that because they are attached to the wheel (and not the column like other OEMs), having both sides do the same thing will be easier to fiddle with if you have to shift in the middle of a turn.
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To downshift you pull, though, right?

I think their reasoning is that because they are attached to the wheel (and not the column like other OEMs), having both sides do the same thing will be easier to fiddle with if you have to shift in the middle of a turn.
no the '-' paddle is the same set up... and you MIGHT be able to pull it.. but it looked set up for a push. Id be hoping for some larger pulling paddles, they are easier to use. especially at high speeds.
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Let's hope these numbers are simply wrong... I will have a hard time justifying a stick shift if it can't beat the automatic of the same model car in a drag race..
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Are the camaro's paddles going to be like that? I would really rather have pull on right to upshift and pull on left to downshift.

Also, I think these numbers are way off. Are these GM's times or Insideline's times?
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Let's hope these numbers are simply wrong... I will have a hard time justifying a stick shift if it can't beat the automatic of the same model car in a drag race..
I feel the same way.

like i said before, this will be my first stick car, and ive been estatic about it for months and months, but after seeing this gap in performance... i really dont want to think about it.

i just hope its wrong. and i know thats an imature stance to take, but i really want my manual, but not if i dont stand a chance against a car that is HEAVIER with LESS HP and TORQUE
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