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Old 12-22-2009, 07:51 AM   #1
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Question Coolingmist Q & A. Lets talk Meth/water injection.

With many of you going forced induction on your new Camaros you will want (need) a superior way to cool your charge. The Coolingmist CMGS FS system was designed to do the following:

1) Get you more power

2) protect your engine

3) alert the driver if there is a flow or some other problem

4) display flow, boost and failsafe parameters all in one small unit

5) allow for easy clean install.

6) be cost effective

7) Get you more power


For those of you not familiar with water/methanol injection the concept is simple. The system will comprise of a pump, injector, hose, fittings, tank and a way to deliver the fluid. The fluid will inject typically based on boost. The water evaporates soaking up your heat, this gives you cooler charge temps. the methanol cools also allowing you to have lower octane requirements. Those of you injecting pre-blower will have a cooler more efficient supercharger as well (for roots style).

We have 2 near identical versions of our kit. One is a 52 MM gauge controller version known as CMGS-FS. The other version is our VC2 FS, which functions identically as the CMGS-FS but instead of being a 52 MM Gauge Controller, it is enclosed in a square box. The controller is designed for those that want a dash mounted gauge. Both versions display boost and flow rate.





Here is a map of the controller. This shows you the features of the unit. This controler is known as a progressive controller. You set the MIN and MAX boost pressure and then as your boost signal increases the CMGS will make the pump spray more fluid. As the boost decreases, the cmgs will make the pump spray less. The result will be more power on pump gas than what you can make without it.

I realize that many of you will have alot of questions about meth injection in general as well as our well thought out solutions. I welcome all questions. I have a couple diagrams below to help you see how the sysetm is laid out. Ask any questions that you have.





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Old 12-22-2009, 10:38 AM   #2
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:11 AM   #3
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Almost thinking of going this route on my car....

Any pictures out there of some nice clean installs?
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:16 AM   #4
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We have pictures on our website forum of different vehicles (no camaro installs yet though). From the diagram and parts you can see the install is very clean.

We are looking for a camaro with forced induction to install our kit and provide very detailed pictures of the install on a camaro so we can include in the installation document. Anyone who is interested PM us and I will give you the details.

as it stands now, install is simple and clean due to the fact that we can do this with our all in one design.

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Old 12-22-2009, 11:20 AM   #5
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what kind of tuning changes (if any) do you need to make after installing this ?
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:28 AM   #6
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what kind of tuning changes (if any) do you need to make after installing this ?

if you put the system on a forced induction camaro and dont make any tuning changes, the system will act as a safety buffer giving you lower octane requirements, cooling your charge and you will have a safer vehicle. you will certainly make more power because your intake temps will be lower and timing advance will take place along with removing alot of heat, your power will increase.

i am still learning about your vehicle so please bear with me. I may have plenty of questions to ask and more to learn.

If you have a tuner that can program your ECU to take full advantage of the methanol, you will have a very significant gain in power. The CMGS/VC2 have a failsafe feature that can be used to shut off boost control for a turbo or retard timing (if you have a timing box that can accept an input signal) as well as notify you visually what the problem is. These along with the flow display can save your engine as well as get you more power.


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Old 12-27-2009, 10:01 AM   #7
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let us know what questions you guys have.

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Old 12-27-2009, 10:55 AM   #8
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:04 AM   #9
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if anyone has any questions about coolingmist water meth, please let me know.

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Old 01-05-2010, 03:47 PM   #10
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:55 PM   #11
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wow, where to begin...

I'm considering ultimately getting my car tuned to run about 10psi supercharged TVS2300....

Can you help explain how the safety piece of this works.... What is the full capability of the min and max.

Essentially what does your system do when you hit either limit... what is the difference between a boost or voltage limit?

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Old 01-09-2010, 08:20 PM   #12
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Thanks for the question.

The CMGS has a MIN/MAX boost from 1 to 30 PSI. You can adjust in .1 increments. See the video here:

http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=2#video

The Voltage has a 0-5V in .10 increments.

http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=4#video


You can inject based on only boost, only voltage or boost and voltage. If you inject off voltage or display voltage you can set a multiplier on the voltage as well. For example if you had a 0-5V sensor where 5 volts was 100%, you can set the multiplier to 20, so it would go from 0 to 100%. Here is a video for this as well.

http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=8#video

Once you get past the max setting it stays on full at 100% (or what ever you programmed the max dutycycle at).

Let me know if you need more detail I would love to help more.

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Cool,

so the lower limit sets the point at which to begin the Methanol Injection. I'm guessing so you won't be using methanol for normal daily driving and conserving it for when you need it?


The Max limit sets the point at which the injection system is at 100 percent flow capacity, introducing as much methanol into the engine as the pump is capable of.....???

If I understand it all then I have this question.

why not just go to 100% flow at the min threshold? instead of increasing flow from 0 - 100% as you move from the min to the max limits???

Or am I confused...

Thanks a ton!!!
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Oh and should I have this on the car at time of tuning the computer, what needs to happen so that the tune takes full advantage of you system and vice versa.
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Cool,

so the lower limit sets the point at which to begin the Methanol Injection. I'm guessing so you won't be using methanol for normal daily driving and conserving it for when you need it?


The Max limit sets the point at which the injection system is at 100 percent flow capacity, introducing as much methanol into the engine as the pump is capable of.....???

If I understand it all then I have this question.

why not just go to 100% flow at the min threshold? instead of increasing flow from 0 - 100% as you move from the min to the max limits???

Or am I confused...

Thanks a ton!!!
You need more flow as boost or air flow increases. If you turn on a full blast, you will get too much at at low boost or not enough at low boost. Having a progressive feed...more flow with more boost is optimum. You need more fuel as you have more boost and you need more flow as well.

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Oh and should I have this on the car at time of tuning the computer, what needs to happen so that the tune takes full advantage of you system and vice versa.

If you want to tune the max power tuning the system at the time you tune your vehicle will get the most gain. Installing the system after you tune your vehicle will gain some power but also be a great way to protect your engine as a better safety buffer.

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Can you elaborate on what is envolved in tuning your system... and why you can get more power if you do it at the same time as the engine tune.

Thanks.

Extremely likley I will purchase this.... My car should be ready in March.

Thanks again, Looks like an awesome product.
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when I said tuning the system I meant when you tune your engine if you do so with the methanol, your tuner can do so in a way to extract the most power. Typically they trim the fuel and compensate with methanol. Tuning our system is simple as changing the dials to set the min/max, so forth.

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when I said tuning the system I meant when you tune your engine if you do so with the methanol, your tuner can do so in a way to extract the most power. Typically they trim the fuel and compensate with methanol. Tuning our system is simple as changing the dials to set the min/max, so forth.

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Understood!

Thanks very much for all the explanations!

It makes much more sense to me now...



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Any point in fitting this if your car is NA.......400rwhp?
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only if your vehicle is high compression or you set timing advance more than you can normally run on pump gas or you dont want to run race gas and want to run pump gas instead.

Our systems get you more power by cooling your charge temps. When you have a forced induction your vehicle has alot more heat, the water/meth cools, you get power back. Many N/A vehicles dont make much heat, not as much gain.

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Old 03-20-2010, 07:56 AM   #22
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let us know what questions you guys have! As this forums grows more and more camaros are now running this kit. It makes a super clean setup, high performance, with a level of safety.

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Old 03-23-2010, 07:09 AM   #23
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here are some videos that my tech has done. Notice how precise the CMGS is?

http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx
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let us know what questions you guys have. we have the most competent system on the market. You will never be in the dark with ours.

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Old 04-26-2010, 06:29 PM   #25
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Let us know what questions you have. Our CMGS kits are becoming very popular on this forum. Any questions about the kits or how they work, just post up.

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