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Old 06-17-2010, 05:01 PM   #1
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Sometimes low....is too low......

I went home for lunch today. opened up the garage door, and there sits my car. as i walk past it, i notice the front drivers side fender is kinda odd looking. i get closer and see that the fender is pushed out a little. i look at the tire and see that its sliced from the fender. the tire isnt flat, just sliced a bit. the only conclusion i have to it, is that i must have been cookin it and took a left handed turn and must have compressed the suspension, and sliced the tire. Rich, at backstreet performance, told me we should have raised the car up a bit, in fear of this. but i didnt listen. now i pay the price. so, i guess now im in the market for new tires. which i wanted to get a new brand and wider rear tires any way. but this is not the way i wanted to get them. would like pirelli p zero nero's, in a 305/30/22 rear and 265/30/22 front. if anyone can get a great deal on all 4 shipped to 44705, let me know
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Old 06-17-2010, 05:02 PM   #2
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best price i have seen on tires is 1146 shipped. can camaro5 vendors do any better?
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best price i have seen on tires is 1146 shipped. can camaro5 vendors do any better?
Take that deal! that is cheap
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is tht about as good as im going to get? ire rack had them for 1200. so i figured maybe some of the larger dealers may be able to get a better price.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:04 PM   #5
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Locally I'm getting quotes for $1300 plus install and balance is about $1500-$1600.
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Damn good price, but rember to add shipping and labor.
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shipping was free and to mount and balance is 40 bucks....for all 4. i got a good hook up at the chevy dealership.
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Ouch! Hopefully the body damage can be fixed without paint work. You probably want to roll those fender lips a little flatter. We used this tool on a 2010 with great results:

http://www.eastwood.com/fender-finisher-1.html

There is very little mark-up (profit) in tires. Hard to beat Tire Rack and Discount Tire pricing.
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Old 06-18-2010, 07:13 AM   #9
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How much is your car lowered? Do you have coilovers or springs?
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Old 06-18-2010, 08:48 AM   #10
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Hit up REVOLUTIONSS, he hooked me up on a set of 22" Pirellis for the low low.
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This is one of the expensive lessons of going with big rims and stuffing the wheel well which looks great on a show car sitting on carpet, but not so great when performance driving. When my car was getting the Racing Brake rotors and lines put on, the shop it was at had one of the SEMA Camaros there getting some work on the suspension and their tires were sliced too and the fender edges had taken the hit like yours. The guy there said this wasn't unusual on these kinds of cars.

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I know I got a lot of grief from the "big rims look bad-ass" crowd last year when everybody was all into getting these and I was talking about dropping down a size to what I got which were 19's. But here's the thing; if you're going to "cook it in the corners" consider carefully the costs in every way. A set of Hankook Ventus v12's in a 275/40 19 for my wheels costs $696 versus almost double what you're going to pay; every time you go through tires. Which can be often if you do track events. If we attended the same events in a year I'll save thousands just in tire costs. You might want to consider getting a set of 19" rims just for performance and track; the money you'll save in tire costs can pay for the rims compared to what you'll spend using your 22's. Use your 22's for show but switch to the 19's for performance. They reduce quite a bit of unsprung weight and they are a LOT cheaper to buy tires for.

My car is lowered with Pedders Xa coilovers and there isn't going to be any issues with rubbing or tires being sliced on the fender lip. I have some gap around the tire even lowered but it's there to provide room for the tire when performance driving. It still doesn't look bad on the street though.

Sorry about your expensive lesson; add up saving $500 every set of tires and you could easily get a set of 19" rims with the savings in no time.

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Ouch! Hopefully the body damage can be fixed without paint work. You probably want to roll those fender lips a little flatter. We used this tool on a 2010 with great results:

http://www.eastwood.com/fender-finisher-1.html

There is very little mark-up (profit) in tires. Hard to beat Tire Rack and Discount Tire pricing.
thanks. ill probably need that tool. it doesnt need painted. just tucked back in.
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This is one of the expensive lessons of going with big rims and stuffing the wheel well which looks great on a show car sitting on carpet, but not so great when performance driving. When my car was getting the Racing Brake rotors and lines put on, the shop it was at had one of the SEMA Camaros there getting some work on the suspension and their tires were sliced too and the fender edges had taken the hit like yours. The guy there said this wasn't unusual on these kinds of cars.

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I know I got a lot of grief from the "big rims look bad-ass" crowd last year when everybody was all into getting these and I was talking about dropping down a size to what I got which were 19's. But here's the thing; if you're going to "cook it in the corners" consider carefully the costs in every way. A set of Hankook Ventus v12's in a 275/40 19 for my wheels costs $696 versus almost double what you're going to pay; every time you go through tires. Which can be often if you do track events. If we attended the same events in a year I'll save thousands just in tire costs. You might want to consider getting a set of 19" rims just for performance and track; the money you'll save in tire costs can pay for the rims compared to what you'll spend using your 22's. Use your 22's for show but switch to the 19's for performance. They reduce quite a bit of unsprung weight and they are a LOT cheaper to buy tires for.

My car is lowered with Pedders Xa coilovers and there isn't going to be any issues with rubbing or tires being sliced on the fender lip. I have some gap around the tire even lowered but it's there to provide room for the tire when performance driving. It still doesn't look bad on the street though.

Sorry about your expensive lesson; add up saving $500 every set of tires and you could easily get a set of 19" rims with the savings in no time.


this wasnt an issue because of the larger wheel really. it was because the suspension. it is a coilover setup. when i went into the turn, the suspension compressed and the fender caught the tire. even had i lowered the car on the stock 20's it still could have happened. the suspension settled in more, after they installed it. when it wasinstalled last year, the fenders sat right above the tires. now the fenders sit just below the top of the tire. it moved a bit. nothing to do with the 22" wheels DOC. just the height of the car.
im glad you like your 19's but i think it looks like crap , to me. im gonna get a set of 19's for the track. but you would never see me driving around the streets with it looking like that. doesnt look good to me. so please keep your 19" preaching elsewhere. we already had a argument over this. lets not go back there.
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Old 06-18-2010, 04:12 PM   #14
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you didnt have the camber set right my car is just as low and mine never kits. Also my car is much tighter in rebound than the Pedders stuff. sucks man now you need bodywork.
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ouch..must've been a sharp corner turn.
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I don't believe lowering will be on my agenda. Ouch
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you didnt have the camber set right my car is just as low and mine never kits. Also my car is much tighter in rebound than the Pedders stuff. sucks man now you need bodywork.
no body work needed. my stuff was actually installed by a pedders authorized dealer who does alot or track racing(bckstreet performsnce)
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Old 06-19-2010, 12:17 AM   #18
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this wasnt an issue because of the larger wheel really. it was because the suspension. it is a coilover setup. when i went into the turn, the suspension compressed and the fender caught the tire. even had i lowered the car on the stock 20's it still could have happened. the suspension settled in more, after they installed it. when it wasinstalled last year, the fenders sat right above the tires. now the fenders sit just below the top of the tire. it moved a bit. nothing to do with the 22" wheels DOC. just the height of the car.
im glad you like your 19's but i think it looks like crap , to me. im gonna get a set of 19's for the track. but you would never see me driving around the streets with it looking like that. doesnt look good to me. so please keep your 19" preaching elsewhere. we already had a argument over this. lets not go back there.
Dude what's with the nasty retort?? I didn't say your wheels look like crap and you'd never see me driving around the streets looking like that even though that's the way I feel. I didn't say anything nasty to you at all. And if you had actually read what I wrote you'd see I didn't say to get 19's for the street; I know you like the 22's. I suggested you get 19's for the TRACK and told you about the dollar savings for tires.

But I'll just keep my "19 inch preaching" as you put it to myself and I won't bother wasting my time on you again.
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Old 06-19-2010, 01:53 AM   #19
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yeah you need that fender rolling tool. and use a HEAT GUN! or your paint will flake like crazy when you push that back up. its not crazy body work, we "drifters" do that all the time. its standard for us how we fit our wheels. that's also why we "stretch" our tires over the rim, so the cross section of the tire is more like a trapezoid, not a square. more clearance from the fender when the suspension compresses.

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also some camber will help. and try a smaller width tire up front. i would only go maybe two sizes wider than stock. you will still have more grip, but not catching your fenders on aggressive turns. i have taken chunks out of the tire too, but to me that just proves my fitment is perfect.
anyway good luck with those and keep your ride the same hieght! just roll the fenders and maybe pull them out a bit!
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so would this happen with just lowering springs and 20's?
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How much did you all lower it?
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i think its about 1" lower than stock, but the gap between the wheels and tire is not the same as if it were 20" wheel. its pretty low but the 22's make it look not as low.

so i should be good if i just roll the fenders? dont raise it up s bit? i think the suspension set in a little since when it was origionally put in. i ordered my new tires. got the pirelli p zero nero. 305/30/22 rear and 265/30/22 fronts. smaller aspect ratio but same width. if raise hopefully the lower series tire will keep the same look.
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so would this happen with just lowering springs and 20's?
just springs?probably not. but it could happen if it were lowered to the same distance fron the tire as mine was. im also running wider tires thsn the stock. it shouldnt happen with the stock tires, but you never know
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I have mine sitting really low with the stock tires and no problems at all. The tires sit inside the fender pretty well. Of course if I hit ahuge pothole or something crazy happens there is a chance something bad could happen, but no issues with everyday driving.
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i think its about 1" lower than stock, but the gap between the wheels and tire is not the same as if it were 20" wheel. its pretty low but the 22's make it look not as low.

so i should be good if i just roll the fenders? dont raise it up s bit? i think the suspension set in a little since when it was origionally put in. i ordered my new tires. got the pirelli p zero nero. 305/30/22 rear and 265/30/22 fronts. smaller aspect ratio but same width. if raise hopefully the lower series tire will keep the same look.
Lowered mine with BMR 1" lowering springs on the original 20s. I also have the BMR front and rear sways on the middle hole so it is tighter in the turns. Hopefully no problems, but only time will tell.

Thanks for the reply and telling your story to try and help folks out. Your car looks great!.
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