[MrIcky]

This thread has become entertaining.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

By my comparison statement, I didn't mean it in the racing magazine world, I meant it in the real world. If you go to a party in a Corvette, you don't get nearly the same respect as if you go in a Porsche. That plain and simple is a fact.
And by the best handling cars statement, I meant that in terms of production cars, not cars that have been gutted out for the track.

It's not a plain and simple fact. That's silly- how would you know this as a plain and simple fact? You want respect from actual car guys who know A LOT about cars?, show up in a 71 'cuda or a Ford GT (not Mustang- a Ford GT). You'd have to beat people away with a stick. Show up in a Porsche and you may get a thumbs up or a nod. Camaros are incredibly hot right now and they do appear to get more attention then Porsches from what I've seen. That might not be the case in a year, but it is right now so I guess I just go to different parties than you do. Also, you need to see the reaction of Europeans to American cars in Europe. They have Corvette clubs and people pay 100,000 to get a Camaro over there, etc.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

You must not have driven a manual if you find your paddle shifters to be comparable to a real manual. You sound like a car brochure right now.

Go ask people like Junkie who really knows his stuff. A lot of the guys who bought their cars knowing they'd drag race get auto's on purpose.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

No, because the time around a track factors in more than just handling. The only true way to measure handling is lateral acceleration, and for that, the ZR1 and the 911 gt2 are equivalent.

Not really, it will point out the cars basic balance and overall grip- but slalom and lane changes are much better measures of handling. You are mistaking grip for handling. You can drastically effect a cars lateral acceleration by changing tires, but it will only minimally effect transitional handling without changing the chassis set up. I'd bet if you asked the people who do road testing for a living, they'd tell you that the GT2 has incredibly high limits but the Cayman is a better handler.

Originally Posted by NoStars

Sorry to interupt, and as much as i appreciate all this incredible insight, I (the OP) am wondering if we have come to a definitive answer as to the 2010 Camaro V6 vs the 2009 GTi?

LOL sorry man- I think someone else pointed out the answer at the beginning. Things got lost in tuned v untuned etc. There isn't much more to say, you can just look at Car and Driver or R&T to get your basic stock summary.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

The more expensive german cars, like the M3, C63, and RS4, are superior cars, that is a fact, don't be so butthurt about something that is common knowledge and sense. And as for me driving a GTI, tell me what car you were driving at 18?

People weren't really bringing those cars in until you did- I don't think people are arguing about those cars vs a Camaro except in the getting attention department-those cars you mentioned will get you very little attention at a party. The problem is you said they were better than ALL American cars. When the CTS-V and Vettes are right there with them, often (usually) beating the German equivalent in overall performance then getting some knock about interiors.

And I'll tell you what I was driving at 18- a VW Scirocco. I had a GTI in my youth too (around age 20). My Dad had a 'Vette. I also had an Alfa Spyder.