2010 Camaro V6 vs 2009 GTI

[NoStars]

Sorry to interupt, and as much as i appreciate all this incredible insight, I (the OP) am wondering if we have come to a definitive answer as to the 2010 Camaro V6 vs the 2009 GTi?

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by NoStars

Sorry to interupt, and as much as i appreciate all this incredible insight, I (the OP) am wondering if we have come to a definitive answer as to the 2010 Camaro V6 vs the 2009 GTi?

that was answered with post #3 in this thread.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

I agree with everything you said zeus, I know the porsche is a great car and probably a blast to drive.

But would that justify saying "Germans make the BEST handling cars" ? Nope

Agree

Originally Posted by NoStars

Sorry to interupt, and as much as i appreciate all this incredible insight, I (the OP) am wondering if we have come to a definitive answer as to the 2010 Camaro V6 vs the 2009 GTi?

lol

[LSXgirl]

Stock for stock? The German trash SHOULD lose.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

The 6l80e is far from a slush box so its pretty obvious you dont know what your talking about. Yes a dual clutch auto is fun...better? Time will tell when tuners have better control over the shift delay in the autos. Do you even know how a dual clutch auto works? Do you know how an auto trans works?

But for the record just because you drive a stick doesnt impress anyone (except high school girls). Millions of people drive manual cars not just street raczers yo!

But I must be old or cant drive a manual.

I am not very well versed in the art of driving a paddle shifter. I have a 5 spd manual. I did run into a Chrysler Crossfire that hung in there WAY better than I would have ever imagined. When myself and the Crossfire driver had a chance to chat, he said "I'm just out playing with my paddle shifter and trying to get used to it".

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

The 6l80e is far from a slush box so its pretty obvious you dont know what your talking about. Yes a dual clutch auto is fun...better? Time will tell when tuners have better control over the shift delay in the autos. Do you even know how a dual clutch auto works? Do you know how an auto trans works?

But for the record just because you drive a stick doesnt impress anyone (except high school girls). Millions of people drive manual cars not just street raczers yo!

But I must be old or cant drive a manual.

Where did I mention street racing or impressing people anywhere in my posts? It's not about impressing people, it's about having fun. If you think holding the steering wheel with two hands and putting your right foot down on the pedal is "fun," then either you can't drive manual, or you're old.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

A race is how to get from point A to point B fastest. The fastest way from point A to point B is a straight line. Muscle > import.

Yea, but if the straight line isn't paved, then you have to go through curves, and your pig won't be able to keep up.
It's funny how you're talking about racing, and you drive an AUTOMATIC. "Wee, let me put my right foot down, but remember, two hands on the steering wheel for safety." So much driving skill involved

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

I'd respect the guy in the corvette a lot more than the guy in the porshe.... Don't know what type of parties you go to.





Notice " " in the manual. Yeah.

Norman OK is full of traffic. Try driving down linsday or main at rush hour.

I also think it's funny how a kid driving a little VW GTI is talking crap about camaros. When you move up come talk to me, until then, keep talking about how good german cars are.

Where have I been talking crap about camaros? I think Camaros are great cars, but people on this forum think that they have the fastest, best car in America, and I'm sorry to tell you, but you don't. The more expensive german cars, like the M3, C63, and RS4, are superior cars, that is a fact, don't be so butthurt about something that is common knowledge and sense. And as for me driving a GTI, tell me what car you were driving at 18?

[MontyCarlo]

I can see why you wanted to make that 3 separate posts, returnofcc. If they were together the hypocrisy would be so much more apparent!

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Where did I mention street racing or impressing people anywhere in my posts?

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Oh, and I drive manual, btw.
Either you're old, or you can't drive manual. What kind of traffic is there in oklahoma?

Whhoo guys look out. He drives a manual btw.
Im not old, I guess I must not be skilled enough to drive a manual.LOL

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Where have I been talking crap about camaros?

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Yea, but if the straight line isn't paved, then you have to go through curves, and your pig won't be able to keep up.

LOL Kid I bet half the people who post here could keep up on any track with you while driving their pig slushbox camaro.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

It's funny how you're talking about racing, and you drive an AUTOMATIC. "Wee, let me put my right foot down, but remember, two hands on the steering wheel for safety." So much driving skill involved

Really kid. Ever done any sort of racing besides stop light to stop light?
Ever been to any sort of performance driving school. LOL.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

And as for me driving a GTI, tell me what car you were driving at 18?

When I was 18 I drove an old Mazda 626....a manual btw. I didnt want to just sit there with 2 hands on the wheel. Safety first.


Ahh to be 18 and know everything again.

[MrIcky]

This thread has become entertaining.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

By my comparison statement, I didn't mean it in the racing magazine world, I meant it in the real world. If you go to a party in a Corvette, you don't get nearly the same respect as if you go in a Porsche. That plain and simple is a fact.
And by the best handling cars statement, I meant that in terms of production cars, not cars that have been gutted out for the track.

It's not a plain and simple fact. That's silly- how would you know this as a plain and simple fact? You want respect from actual car guys who know A LOT about cars?, show up in a 71 'cuda or a Ford GT (not Mustang- a Ford GT). You'd have to beat people away with a stick. Show up in a Porsche and you may get a thumbs up or a nod. Camaros are incredibly hot right now and they do appear to get more attention then Porsches from what I've seen. That might not be the case in a year, but it is right now so I guess I just go to different parties than you do. Also, you need to see the reaction of Europeans to American cars in Europe. They have Corvette clubs and people pay 100,000 to get a Camaro over there, etc.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

You must not have driven a manual if you find your paddle shifters to be comparable to a real manual. You sound like a car brochure right now.

Go ask people like Junkie who really knows his stuff. A lot of the guys who bought their cars knowing they'd drag race get auto's on purpose.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

No, because the time around a track factors in more than just handling. The only true way to measure handling is lateral acceleration, and for that, the ZR1 and the 911 gt2 are equivalent.

Not really, it will point out the cars basic balance and overall grip- but slalom and lane changes are much better measures of handling. You are mistaking grip for handling. You can drastically effect a cars lateral acceleration by changing tires, but it will only minimally effect transitional handling without changing the chassis set up. I'd bet if you asked the people who do road testing for a living, they'd tell you that the GT2 has incredibly high limits but the Cayman is a better handler.

Originally Posted by NoStars

Sorry to interupt, and as much as i appreciate all this incredible insight, I (the OP) am wondering if we have come to a definitive answer as to the 2010 Camaro V6 vs the 2009 GTi?

LOL sorry man- I think someone else pointed out the answer at the beginning. Things got lost in tuned v untuned etc. There isn't much more to say, you can just look at Car and Driver or R&T to get your basic stock summary.

Originally Posted by returnofcc

The more expensive german cars, like the M3, C63, and RS4, are superior cars, that is a fact, don't be so butthurt about something that is common knowledge and sense. And as for me driving a GTI, tell me what car you were driving at 18?

People weren't really bringing those cars in until you did- I don't think people are arguing about those cars vs a Camaro except in the getting attention department-those cars you mentioned will get you very little attention at a party. The problem is you said they were better than ALL American cars. When the CTS-V and Vettes are right there with them, often (usually) beating the German equivalent in overall performance then getting some knock about interiors.

And I'll tell you what I was driving at 18- a VW Scirocco. I had a GTI in my youth too (around age 20). My Dad had a 'Vette. I also had an Alfa Spyder.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

This thread has become entertaining.



It's not a plain and simple fact. That's silly- how would you know this as a plain and simple fact? You want respect from actual car guys who know A LOT about cars?, show up in a 71 'cuda or a Ford GT (not Mustang- a Ford GT). You'd have to beat people away with a stick. Show up in a Porsche and you may get a thumbs up or a nod. Camaros are incredibly hot right now and they do appear to get more attention then Porsches from what I've seen. That might not be the case in a year, but it is right now so I guess I just go to different parties than you do. Also, you need to see the reaction of Europeans to American cars in Europe. They have Corvette clubs and people pay 100,000 to get a Camaro over there, etc.



Go ask people like Junkie who really knows his stuff. A lot of the guys who bought their cars knowing they'd drag race get auto's on purpose.



Not really, it will point out the cars basic balance and overall grip- but slalom and lane changes are much better measures of handling. You are mistaking grip for handling. You can drastically effect a cars lateral acceleration by changing tires, but it will only minimally effect transitional handling without changing the chassis set up. I'd bet if you asked the people who do road testing for a living, they'd tell you that the GT2 has incredibly high limits but the Cayman is a better handler.



LOL sorry man- I think someone else pointed out the answer at the beginning. Things got lost in tuned v untuned etc. There isn't much more to say, you can just look at Car and Driver or R&T to get your basic stock summary.



People weren't really bringing those cars in until you did- I don't think people are arguing about those cars vs a Camaro except in the getting attention department-those cars you mentioned will get you very little attention at a party. The problem is you said they were better than ALL American cars. When the CTS-V and Vettes are right there with them, often (usually) beating the German equivalent in overall performance then getting some knock about interiors.

And I'll tell you what I was driving at 18- a VW Scirocco. I had a GTI in my youth too (around age 20). My Dad had a 'Vette. I also had an Alfa Spyder.

When comparing automatic to manual, I was speaking of it in terms of enjoyment, not the performance differences. I don't see how you could have fun driving auto, just putting your right foot down gets old after a while.
Ok, point taken, I never meant to bash the camaro, or all american cars, as I have said before, I like the camaro. Yet, when you have people like 2ss bashing my gti, then what do you expect me to say?
I may be 18, and at times I may have posted some doushebag like things, but you guys sitting here posting back in the same manner? Grow up.
I'm done posting. I forfeit.

[KoTToN]

No we arent posting back in the same manner. Maybe if we had said..

"All American cars are superior to German cars"
"Americans make the best handling cars"
"For some reason people are standing outside in the driveway at the parties I go to just to comment on what peaple drive to the party. At these lets stand in the front yard driveway parties, American cars get more attention."
"Automatics are better than Manuals"

...then we would have been responsing in the same manner. I however do like the fact that you admit you make douchebag posts, and then in the very next sentence tell US to grow up.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

When comparing automatic to manual, I was speaking of it in terms of enjoyment, not the performance differences. I don't see how you could have fun driving auto, just putting your right foot down gets old after a while.
Ok, point taken, I never meant to bash the camaro, or all american cars, as I have said before, I like the camaro. Yet, when you have people like 2ss bashing my gti, then what do you expect me to say?
I may be 18, and at times I may have posted some doushebag like things, but you guys sitting here posting back in the same manner? Grow up.
I'm done posting. I forfeit.

It's a matter of preference, totally. I had a guy ask me if I wanted to go down to San Marcos, Texas and sky dive with him once, uumm...no. He probably couldn't understand why I'd much rather hang out with my family during the weekend instaed of jumping out of a plane, I prefer NOT to jump out of planes. You trying to use the "I'm only 18 defense" for some of the remarks you've made only makes you look like an 18 yr old weenie. I prefer a manual transmission in my car. My mechanic drives an 09 Mustang GT with an auto. He had it tuned and in the process of that tune he changed the shift points in the tranny. After riding in his 09, I'm not so sure I wouldn't buy one with an auto if I were to get a new Mustang. That's the cool part about forums like this one, you're free to state your opinion so long as you don't try to bash on other people who may not share the same opinion. Maybe that's a direct result of you only being 18 as well.