[Mr. Wyndham]

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Originally Posted by thePill

Adding up the shipping weights of the intended Z28 upgrades put the LSA/TR6060 (with M12/MG9 gearset and Dual clutch) at 4042lbs and the LSA/6L90 at 4076lbs alone.
If the Camaro team engineers were aftermarket consumers...this logic might work. But they have the distinct advantage of being able to make things to how they want it. It's an incredible variable to factor in...rendering all of this to guesswork.

Add the additional weight from the larger AL wheel over the stock SS ALs without rubber (3lbs, 5lbs with rubber) brings the Z28s weight to 4088lbs manual, 4122lbs auto based on availible shipping weights. You got to watch the word "lightweight" when talking parts, lightweight? sure, lighter than the stock unit it replaced even though it increased in size and made from the same material? unlikely.... Suspension will also see a weight increase but how much is unclear.
The tires should be about 2lbs lighter per corner than stock, and the wheel's wieght will hinge largely on the spoke design and material thicknesses, as well as width. It could be that they're heavier, the same, or even lighter than the SS's.

And you understand exactly what I mean when I say "lightweight". No reason for me to watch it, then.

Also, the Camaro is physically a bigger car than the CTS-V as far as wheel base/track width. Unless GM shaves weight elsewhere, this will be a heavy car.
Actually, it's not. Camaro's wheelbase is shorter by about an inch and a half, it's shorter, and shorter than the CTS-V. The Zeta architecture, just by its nature, is also somewhat lighter than the Sigma chassis.

FYI: The 2010 Camaro did not receive a 5 star crash test rating overall. It received a 4 star rating in both driver and passenger front collision. GM cannot take any meat from the frame that it hasn't done already. Could be the main reason the Vert was delayed so long, All Verts receive a zero rating for rollovers and out of a score average of 4,4,5 and 0 would make insurance unbearable.
Thank you for that. I'm aware what the crash test ratings are...notice I didn't say 'overall'. Not to mention the fact that those tests don't necessarily tell the whole story...like EPA fuel economy tests, they are not dynamic at all.

Nice theory on the vert, but the reason it was delayed was the roof supplier. The original German company went out of business some time ago, and they needed to attend to that. They've done their homework on the safety of the convertible, so I hear.

As long as the LSA manages MPGs like the CTS-V it won't be so bad... just expensive vs. the GT500.All research indicates the Z28 should be able to achieve higher fuel economy ratings than the CTS-V. As well, it shouldn't be any more expensive than the GT500. IF they simply copy the CTS-V...shady math...but it's the best we've got since we're not on the team.