[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Jose_The_Great_Cuervo

lol

I think what is pissing people off is the BASE price of the v-8. I'm pretty sure everyone's had it in their mind that it WILL be under 30k but this "Premium" crap is pissing everyone off.

GM, JUST LIE TO US. I WAS HAPPIER BELIEVING I WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT!!!!!

See above. GM has no reason to lie. And since they don't know pricing for sure, yet themsleves...I hardly think it would be appropriate.

Originally Posted by AirGoya

The word PREMIUM doesnt mean anything.
So what, they used the wrong word
He is just saying it will cost more than the mustang but you will get more for it.

Thank YOU!

Originally Posted by flaguy

Last week I was under the impression that the Camaro will be priced with the Mustang, that the V6 will have 300hp, that a turbo was going into the cobalt. Today I find the Camaro will cost more, excuse me, will be at a premium compared to the Mustang, the V6 just lost 40hp, and the turbo has entered the Camaro.

What next? Dare I say it???????????????

PREPO HEADLIGHTS ARE STAYING???????????


After reading this thread, I'm sure GM could f*ck this up some more....they're on a good start.

Funny on the lights thing. That was good......
Your impression last week should not have changed now.
The V6 may or may not have lost any power...that remains to be seen on account of the author's fuzzy wording.

You really don't trust GM with this do you? I can't change that...but I hope you'd give them SOME credit.

Originally Posted by Sweeper

What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp

YOUCH!!!! I think that's really high!!!

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

Try this on .. its more likely the closer to the real thing..

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$32k V8________________400hp
$40k Supercharged V8____500hp

I think THAT's much better - and MUCH more realistic. But I want to add my own for kicks and giggles.

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$28k V8________________400hp
$38k Supercharged V8____500hp

Originally Posted by Sweeper

What confuses me is.....the Dodge Challenger is 40,095 MSRP and the
Pontiac G8 is 29,995 MSRP. (who knows what the G8 GXP will cost)
So, will Chevy price the V8 Camaro closer to the Challenger or closer to the G8??

Which one is produced by the same company that's building Camaro, and is on the same platform as Camaro?

Originally Posted by AirGoya

We know.
Everyone Chill.

I didnt know the word "premium" could reek such havoc.

Me neither!!
Usually it's regarded well when it's in terms of fuel!

Originally Posted by DGthe3

People, please shut up and read what was originally posted. There will be a V8. There will be a V8. There might be an I4 -rated at 260 hp and 260 ft lbs. MIGHT. It is not definiate, it is something that may or may not happen. But regardless it doesn't really matter because 99% of the members here are interested in the V8's. and there have been I4 Camaros in the past, with fewer than 100 hp. I think its much more of an insult to call a V8 making under 200 hp a Camaro than one with 260 hp in a 4 banger. Neither one is a muscle car. To be classed as such you need a power to weight of under 13 lbs/hp in my books. Even then, that proposed I4 gets close.

The ecotec is a great engine. I would never buy a Camaro powered by one. But such a car would beat a V6 mustang and V6 Challenger in pretty much any race. And power could be built very easily by tuners, those people that build up 4 bangers that can beat corvettes. Guess what, they are the new generation of gearheads. Doesn't matter if you like them or not. They exist, and there are alot of them. it would be stupid for GM to completely ignore them. Now, whether they go ahead and actually cater to them with the Camaro remains to be seen.

Lastly, pricing. Seems to me there is a premium mustang, 2 actually. They sell a whoping $1300 more than the regular versions. OMG. Could it be that perhaps when mentioning 'premium' and 'mustang' and 'pricing' Bob could have meant that the Camaro would be competitive with the premium priced mustang? No, of course not. It has to be $5000 more, GM is stupid, the Camaro will surely fail. Something tells me there are a few more economists at GM than on this board. People who are paid to think of projected sales for particular cars at particular prices. Oh, and they also have people like Fbodfather who pretty much watches everything we say and reports it back where appropriate. as well as reps at car shows over the last 2 years.

This would certainly make some sense. Again, depending on what the Author/and or/ Bob meant when those words were spoken and heard...this could be so very far away from what we're thinking it's nutz.

All in all, if we scream loud enough GM will hear us. But if we sound like idiots they will not listen. I don't want an I4, not very fond of it going into the Camaro like most of the rest of you. I want a V8 Camaro priced within about 10% of the mustang GT. However, there are thousands of potential buyers out there that don't care at all about power or acceleration. Very few of them visit this site. They saw a cool looking car in transformers or at an autoshow. And they would really like to have one in their driveway. spending an extra $10 000 on performance they will never use is a waste of their money.

Thats it from me for now

Very good post, DGthe3. And thank you for speaking with some reason and logic. I highlighted the things I felt were most important that I hadn't touched upon yet.

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

Bottom line is GM is counting on this car to seriously boost sales and profits. They are NOT going to make decisions that will drive customers away.

If that doesn't make it through to some of you - then I'm at a loss as to what will.....

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

I'll treat any I-4 owner like I would a V6 or V8 Camaro driver: as a friend and fellow appreciator of American automaking. Any of you who think someone who would buy an I-4 is a lesser being has a very wrong attitude. "Camaro" means "friend" after all, and that's what we should all be about.

I scold anybody who feels differently.

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

and PS- "Premium" could mean as little as $5 more than the Mustang. We've been told since inception that it'll be priced competitively and I sincerely doubt that GM will go back on that.

We've kept the faith this long, let's keep it a little bit longer.

Thank..............you!!!!

[quote=Mindz;53935
If you are concerned about the "preimum price" comment, let's wait and see if this is explained within a few months. We'll know all the important information around fall when the Challenger is released because GM wants to let the public know that they have a superior product. If at that time you want to whine and bitch and complain, feel free....

....I will keep the faith until official information is released...[/quote]
THAT is the key to all of this. This new little article must be taken in stride. It is not official info - because everything is subject to change right up untill the plant gets activated.

Originally Posted by stovt001

They want to make a Camaro with the Cobalt's I4, but make it heavier, less efficient, and more expensive than the Cobalt.
We don't know that for sure. It may cost about as much as a Cobalt...but RWD, and much better car overall.

They want to take an excellent V6, but then detune it so it doesn't make any more power than the I4, but still presumably charge more for it.
Again...we don't know this for sure. The authore did a poor job of communicating that point.

And I think it is safe to assume that they are offering the above two engines because they really don't want anyone but the privileged few to buy a V8, so it will cost major bucks.
Ouch. Do you really believe that? I hope not.

Originally Posted by stovt001

Of course they could never help that average with Aveos, Volts, and Cobalts, so they'll take the guts out of the Camaro.

I read the rest of your post...but still - Geez!!!

Originally Posted by stovt001

Unfortunately, in doing so they forget that there are people like me who won't be driving many miles, so gas isn't a problem, but who also don't make enough money to buy a "premium" car. But as far as GM is concerned people like me just don't matter, so they throw us under the bus.

No offense meant, really - but *YOU* are not part of the Camaro's priority list, niether am I, nor the next person to post. We all must choose what wee want/need.

Originally Posted by stovt001

What's that? Hyundai offers a small, RWD coupe with a 300+ hp V6? Ford's future V6s will have over 300 hp too? And Ford will have affordable V8s? Oh never mind GM, I just found somewhere else to go.

You know...Hyundai is not nearly the same company as GM, GM's produces many more trucks, and they don't get the happy tax breaks our foriegn neighbors get (but that's for another time)...and GM's doing much more than Ford in the fuel economy dept. (also, you don't know that Ford's V8s will be 'affordable', nor do you know that GM's won't be.

That's a bad point, imo.

Originally Posted by stovt001

Absolutely amazing. Just when you thought all despair was lost and GM's losing ways were over, they manage to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. GM FTL!!!!!!!

hmmmm....Not really sure what to say - 'cause a single car ain't gonna end GM's comeback - especially not a car as bada$$ as this. So it's got a tamer, happier side....so what???

Originally Posted by stovt001

In the end, chances are we're taking this in a way its not meant to be taken. I'm still keeping my optimism up. BUT, if what Bob said does match reality at face value, then what I ranted about above will be true, and I'll be gone. I'm a car enthusiast. It just so happens that the Camaro, as we know it now, was the car to be most enthusiastic about. But if that changes, there are plenty of other fish in the sea, and I won't take another look at GM.

The first sentance was good. Excellent point, and the first half of the second sentance...that's a good plan. The rest....All I can think of to say to people in your predicament is "Sorry". They never indended to please everyone. And, yet...I still don't see how adding an I4 to the lineup is going to ruin the Camaro world for you....

Originally Posted by stovt001

Edit: I really hope everyone reads through the "shock factor" first part of my post and gets to the second part. Understand I'm not just trying to be optimistic; I honestly do think this could be all misconstrued and blown out of proportion. As usual, I'm waiting until everything is officially revealed in whole before making my decision. But I also want to put GM on notice that if they price this too high, especially the V8, I'll buy used or go to another manufacturer. Either way, it is money not in GM's pocket.

I understand. And I see where you're coming from. Just the fact that you say "I'm waiting until everything is officially revealed in whole before making my decision" is enough for me to pass off the rest of what you typed up as ranting/thinking out loud. That's what the boards are here for, after all.

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Where the hell is fbodfather when you need him huh?

Probably sighing, and trying to think where the hell we all went wrong after replying to his pride thread with "Thank you Fbodfather", and "Your right Fbodfather" and "took the words out of my mouth, Fbodfather", etc. etc...

To think of that. And then to read through this thread.....now, THAT is sad.