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Originally Posted by ZL1Darkone

Thanks everyone! I appreciate the feed back and it sounds like the ZL1's engine is pretty bullet proof....
One thing for sure being on these forums I can tell already that everyone is more laid back and performances car focused - just like when I owned a Corvette and on their forums. The BMW unfortunately has those who are performance car focused and those who are just rich jerks looking to show off. As an example: On the BMW M3 forum they actually have a thread that is focused on the kind of watches they buy, most are in the 10k range ....WTF a watch for 10K? ..lol....that's allot of mods for the price of a watch...

Thanks everyone

Hey, some people leave their cars stock and spend money on expensive watches because that is what they like. I'm not into watches, but when I retire I will definitely buy myself a Rolex..or a Cartier...or an Omega. Different priorities.

Originally Posted by NightmareZL1

I reved/drove and abused the crap out of my M3's. broke a couple DCT transmissions. but drivetrain wise, they were impeccable. F&^k the $1800 oil change service at every 15000 miles. $130 for the ZL1

Another diff between the two cars, the M3 wears down it's wheels evenly. The ZL1 rubbs away it's tires unevenly and in a hurry. Crappier suspension design, effective, but crappier than M stuff. So, ZL1 handling is great, but it kills tires because on non optimal geometry - and heft.

$1800 for an oil change? Do you actually own the car or did you just make that up? BMW oil changes are on average about $150.

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

If you check the past MT issue the BMW M3 went head to head with the '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w/. the Brembo package, for half the money the Mustang kept up with the M3 (the Boss will left the M3 behind, and the Camaro 1LE will be on front of all of them). In short the ZL1 is a superior car & is equal in performance to the new Porsche 911 Carrera S. The BMW is just an elite name that's it, even the new Mercedes AMG are better than BMW. About quality I don't think that US cars are below the europeans, I use to have a '02 Porsche Carrera and its reliabilty was crap and very expensive to maintain, I sweared to never buy and European car again. Only Japanese cars are above in quality.

I have a 2011 GT that is currently set up to be faster than an M3, and I will tell you honestly, if I could afford to buy an M3 over my GT, it's worth the extra $20k.