[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by theholycow

Also, even if you're going to assume that the Camaro will get 27 combined, why not look at how many car are above 27mpg instead of 30mpg? That may be a surprisingly fertile area...

I wasn't trying to compare that, I was only trying to point out that to get better than average (20-30MPG) your limiting yourself to 2% of possible cars in the selection process. Also the average person is not going to notice 2-3MPG, BUT they will notice 4-5 or more.

Highway mileage is more about drag and gearing, weight doesn't make much difference. City mileage is where weight matters, but 200lbs at the scale we're talking about isn't worth much anyway.

Agree completely, but this is off the original top of why should we accept a 20-30mpg combined camaro

I'll get more than 30mpg from my Camaro. My current car is rated 24 combined, and I do less highway driving than the EPA figures into the combined rating, but I'm consistently over 30 and have been working on my style; my last tank was 34mpg. If 24 is a reasonable expectation for EPA combined rating, I'm sure people can get 30 with less effort than I'm making now.

Good for you, but to have ANY statistical merit you can't use one off situations. Thats why the epa has a formula they use on EVERY car. So that the same test is done and the results are comparable without outside influences.

I'm just tired of everyone saying there are more and better fuel efficient cars out there.. when really there is a VERY limited selection and on most of that selection you pay a premium for the "Hybrid" tech.