[Mr. Wyndham]

Put it here!!!!

You've all seen Fbodfather's post about the "12 Disciples of which there are 15". Well, there is going to be a Focus Group/Conference occurring in May of this year with these 15 lucky people. They will get to offer up some view, opinions, and general feedback directly to the Camaro team themselves!

Our site member Garfin (Elie), one of these 15 folks, has very graciously volunteered to bring with him any input our members of Camaro5.com happen to have for the team when he attends the Summit. So, before anything, I think we all owe him a big thanks.

Thanks to Garfin, there's no reason to go off to any other sites to offer input if you didn't want to. Now, ANYTHING you may have to say, any suggestions ranging from praise to powertrain to marketing suggestions, put them up here. The folks on the team are great listeners, and want to know everything we're thinking, so don't hold anything constructive back, even if you think it's a minor detail.

The moderators here will take the ideas and compile them here, in this first post, so that it will be easier for Elie to print out. And it will serve as a guide for you all to go by, if you're wondering whether anything has been said yet.

I must ask, however, that you do not put up any nonsense, or goof around in here. We don't really want to read through all of that just to find something useful. And by useful, I am insinuating that we will use our better judgement when choosing what to copy in here. If somebody goes off on a rant about how he/she wishes they wouldn't use the headlights from the prototype...obviously that won't be included. So please, think about what you're going to post before you post it. Thank You!!!!

Remember also that none of what you post up here will mean that that "issue" is resolved your way, or even "resolved" at all. It may not be an issue to the other 99% of people. The point of this thread is to simply provide our thoughts/feedback to the team; they want to know what's going through our heads. And chances are...at this point in the game, 90% of what you'd like to see has been discussed/finalized already, but don't let that stop you from speaking up.

With out further Ado, and once again our great thanks goes out to our friend Elie, Post away!!!!


The following is *NOT* the opinion of Dragoneye alone, but of all the members on this website.
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Exterior:

• T-tops, we've been told that they aren't feasable, but we still really like T-tops
• More agressive hood for the upper trim levels
• Regarding the "Sharkfin" XM/Onstar antenna:

1. Make it smaller
2. Or, if it's going to be used on the production car, color coordinate the "shark fin" with the body color
3. Or, hide it somewhere, please.

• The front scoop is one of neat little things we all like about the car (the fact that it's non-functional is a little issue to some, though)
• At least open the front scoop, even if it's not feeding the engine
• Make every attempt to not use amber colored directionals for Europe. Use amber bulbs instead?
• Try to keep the exposed black plastic exterior pieces to a minimum

Lights/exterior trim:

• LED lamps all around
• Smaller repeater lamps on the sides
• Relocate the reverse lamps to somewhere other than the middle of the bumper
• HALO headlamps (like the concept)
• Keep any daytime-running-lights out of the main Headlight assembly, if possible
• Side-mirror heaters
• Offer multiple stripes packages, the Concept Convertible's style, the side "hockey-stick" stripes, and the center cowl-hood stripe
• Could the stripes be painted on, as opposed to vinyl?
• Offer a close-to-Bumblebee yellow
• The Gunmetal grey/steel color on the ZR-1 is HOT! Can we get a very similar color? Pretty please!!
• Can the stripes NOT come as a mandatory option when purchasing higher trim levels?
• Would love to see some of the First-generation colors offered (i.e. HUGGER ORANGE!!!)
• The faux vents in front of the rear wheels. Could those have something done to them to make them look open? Instead of just being indentations in the sheet metal
• The exaust tips on the Concept were pretty neat. If something could be done like that, but with a little less BANG: LOOK AT ME! That'd be nice.
• We know that selling the V6 is a big deal, and we agree - but can there be a concious effort placed on differenciating the V8's from the "lower" trim-levels? The V6 doesn't need to look "less the part", only different.
• The general concensus seems to be that the subtle spoiler on the Concept was an Outta'-the-ballpark-Homerun design feature. And we BEG you to include it on the Production Camaros.
• The Rear lights. PLEASE, PLEASE keep that "afterburner" look from the concept. That was gorgeous!
• Offer different grille/headlight treatments
• Keep the amber directionals on cars sold in countries who require them only. Not as a generic export treatment to the cars to be shipped out.

Powertrain:

• LSA or variant. Supercharged 6.2 for the top-of the line model
• Paddle-shifting with the Automatic transmission
• All Wheel Drive?
• LS3 engine or "better" (pretty please!!)
• Short-throw shifter for the manual option
• Optimize the Exaust note when in 4-cylinder mode
• AFM-equipped, E85-capable V6 AND V8 engine
• Did we mention E85??
• 300 hp Direct Injection V6
• Offering a 4-banger...er, 4 cyllinder engine, is a good idea for the success of the Camaro. We won't hate you for it.
• A sport-tuned Suspention
• 4-piston calipers, slotted/cross-drilled rotors
• Impressive braking; ie. Brembo brakes
• Please keep the tires the same on all four corners so they can be rotated
• Please try and minimize if not totally eliminate the "Wheel-hop" issue as found on the newer GTO's.
• Limited-slip differencial, like the G8, but tailored for the Camaro.
• The idea of an E85-capable V6 and V8 is continuing to be mentioned by every other person here, even after it was put on the list - we think E85 would be a HUGE selling point as far as "eco-friendly", and one more advantage over competitors.
• The ability to shut off traction control. Sometimes it can be intrusive.
• The availability of a manual transmission with the V6 engine is important to us

Interior:

• Keep the torque gauge, and keep that quad-gauge cluster right where it is!
• Heads-up display option (preferably as it's own option)
• Dual-zone Climate Control
• Auto-dimming mirrors
• Hands free Bluetooth
• Homelink, Temp, Direction, and Onstar (possibly all on rearview mirror)
• Premier sound system: Bose, Blaupunkt, Boston Acoustics, JL
• Quality materials, (i.e. Not hard plastic everywhere)
• Make a few Color accent schemes available
• Offer the ability to change the dash backlighting, ala Mustang
• 6-disk changer standard?
• USB slot for memory stick/MP3 player (MP3's type receiver so no more having to use CD's)
• Please make the manual transmission shifter resemble the Concept shifter (obviously NOT made out of billet aluminum)
• Include radio controls and cruise control on the steering wheel/seering column
• Heated/cooled seats. Cloth Heated/cooled seats?
• Navigation system available
• Media storage system? Hard Disk Drive, maybe?
• Could the rear seat have 3 belts? For 3 people...smaller people, like kids.
• Taller people really like this car, too. Will they be able to fit inside this piece of art?
• Tilt/Telescopic Steering wheel, and adjustable pedals.
• Alacantara. Praying for it to be standard, but maybe on an Interior Upgrade package, if not?
• The Radio/CD player Head Unit doesn't seem easy to replace for aftermarket audio upgrades, could some RCA outputs in the back be implemented to that aftermarket amps can be installed?
• The belt-buckles found inthe concept were really, really neat. PLEASE keep them.
• side-curtain airbags standard.

Pricing/ordering:

• We understand the advanced components, and better interior, but please try and keep it affordable (as near to the Mustang as humanly possible)
• Reduce the "clumping" of options
• Offer LOTS of accesories/customizable "aftermarket" options
• IF the options MUST be packaged together, try to seperate the performance options from the luxury options (seperate packages)

Marketing/Sales:

• Highlighting the fuel-efficiency is a good idea
• Any ads must make as strong a statement, and be as bold as the car is
• Have a little hint about performance, like "Camaro: you'll spend more on tires than you will on gas". And highlight all the different fuel-saving features, AFM, E85(?), etc.
• Sell it in Europe, and Australia (it would only be fair considering they helped engineer it...) and in Right-Hand-Drive, preferably.
• The younger generation is a good friend to have as far as marketing targets go.

General Feedback:

• You've been able to keep this close to the concept?!? Wow. Great Job, and Thank you for that!
• The car is coming together really well.
• Thank you for bringing the almighty Camaro back to us!
• Please, spare no effort to absolutely destroy the GT-500 in the Camaro's corresponding trim level
• Thanks for listening to us!!! We really appreciate it, and want you to know it
• We are soooo PROUD to know that it will hit dealers soon!!
• Wieght is a big issue, both in terms of fuel economy and performance. Please keep wieght down on this car to around 3600 lbs (ideally).

Concerns/Questions:

• Are there any fuel Economy goals for both the V8 AND the V6?