How much do regulations affect the transition from concept to production?? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

chevydude26 · 01-14-2009, 02:59 PM

I always hate when car companies show a concept and by the time the car comes out it looks like every other car out there in terms of the shape size and contour's of it...

Which regulations are the cause of this happening where all the cars tend to have a cookie cutter look to them and they all seem to share similar dimensions

while the camaro is great looking and all it lose some of its sleekness in the transition and looked a little more bloated

same thing happened to the mustang concept of 05...production ended up looking bloated

i'm assuming these changes have to do with regulations that companies have to abide by...which ones in particular cause these changes???

bolteon593 · 01-14-2009, 05:08 PM

100 bucks says you wouldnt know the differece between the concept and the production car driving past you from a standstill.

chevydude26 · 01-14-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bolteon593

100 bucks says you wouldnt know the differece between the concept and the production car driving past you from a standstill.

i can see the difference in the pics though...the length and height don't seem the same...

the concept has a coke bottle shape and the front end seems symmetrical...i mean on the ss they butchered the front end where its just too bulky compared to where it was before

and in these links lie an early production where it still looks good

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3DroZ%26sa%3DN

and this is the ss where the front has just been massacred into a hulking mass

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11698

SilverTurtle · 01-14-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bolteon593

100 bucks says you wouldnt know the differece between the concept and the production car driving past you from a standstill.

agreed... this car is VERY similar to the Concept in person... you'll have to see it to believe it.

that said, there were a ton of regulations that had to be met to make the transition from Concept to production car... crash safety standards, lighting regulations, side impact and airbag standards... it all takes up space and adds weight... its just that simple.

1967rsss · 01-14-2009, 08:56 PM

The biggest difference that I know of, is the addition of a B pillar?

The pillar added at the rear of the door. This is for roll over stability.

The concept can roll down both side windows with pillar in the way. This was true to the original camaro. It's a shame it has to be there. I know the designers would have liked to keep it out.

Inspector 17 · 01-14-2009, 08:59 PM

Well, I think that GM has done possibly the best job in history matching the production car to the concept. As others have said, there are a ton of regulations that force the minor changes. Certainly crash testing and safety standards have the biggest impact. But beyond that, GM has to look at what they can actually sell and what is economically feasible to build. That may have as much impact on the final design as the regulations. If you can't mass produce a car and make money, the regulations don't matter.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Let's not start this again...

The ONLY thing you have to understand is that they call them "Concepts" for a reason: They aren't production. Meaning they have tons (like Turtle said) of regs to go through and validate the car. NEVER expect any concept car to translate directly to the showroom. But occasionally; you'll get one like the Camaro....that does.

bolteon593 · 01-14-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chevydude26

i can see the difference in the pics though...the length and height don't seem the same...

the concept has a coke bottle shape and the front end seems symmetrical...i mean on the ss they butchered the front end where its just too bulky compared to where it was before

and in these links lie an early production where it still looks good

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3DroZ%26sa%3DN

and this is the ss where the front has just been massacred into a hulking mass

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11698

what your sighting is camera differences, mainly focal length...

i've overlaid the cad data from one to the other, you'd be very very surprised how close they are to one another.

UCF w00t · 01-14-2009, 10:28 PM

I'm not sure the biggest thing affecting concept > production is really regulations. Yea, it's fun to blame the government but in this sitation is usually cost. They usually end up digging into the parts bin in order to reuse existing stuff as well ditching things in body paneling that are difficult to manufacture.

That being said, I don't think I've ever seen a production car remain so true to a concept.

ArcAngel · 01-15-2009, 12:16 AM

production version actually looks better than the concept

*DGthe3* · 01-17-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UCF w00t

I'm not sure the biggest thing affecting concept > production is really regulations. Yea, it's fun to blame the government but in this sitation is usually cost.

They could probably make a car that looks identical to the concept and meet all regulations. I'm sure there are a few things like lighting that are regulated and weren't on the concept. However, the cost would be extreme. Then there are also issues of practicality.

Supermans · 01-17-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

They could probably make a car that looks identical to the concept and meet all regulations. I'm sure there are a few things like lighting that are regulated and weren't on the concept. However, the cost would be extreme. Then there are also issues of practicality.

I agree, they could have made the production look even closer, however at what cost. They could use all aluminum for the body as well and engine block and make the car more lightweight, however at what cost.. From the side, the production Camaro looks almost identical to the concept and it is true you could not tell them apart if they were driving by you at 70 MPH...

Camaro Lives On · 01-17-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chevydude26

I always hate when car companies show a concept and by the time the car comes out it looks like every other car out there in terms of the shape size and contour's of it...

Which regulations are the cause of this happening where all the cars tend to have a cookie cutter look to them and they all seem to share similar dimensions

while the camaro is great looking and all it lose some of its sleekness in the transition and looked a little more bloated

same thing happened to the mustang concept of 05...production ended up looking bloated

i'm assuming these changes have to do with regulations that companies have to abide by...which ones in particular cause these changes???

Are you really gonna start this again?!? This is like the 4th time that you have brought this up. For the price, this is as close to the concept as you you will get. This is a $30k sports car, not a $1mil concept car. The only ovbious differences are the rear bumper, and the b-pillar and the repostioned front turn signals. The SS had to have something to differentiate it from the V6, which explains that change. The roof had to be raise for head room. Other than that, they are dang near carbon copies. Please don't beat this horse to death again.

I'm sorry for the rant...

01-14-2009, 02:59 PM	#1
chevydude26 Drives: Future 2011 camaro convertible Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,256	How much do regulations affect the transition from concept to production?? I always hate when car companies show a concept and by the time the car comes out it looks like every other car out there in terms of the shape size and contour's of it... Which regulations are the cause of this happening where all the cars tend to have a cookie cutter look to them and they all seem to share similar dimensions while the camaro is great looking and all it lose some of its sleekness in the transition and looked a little more bloated same thing happened to the mustang concept of 05...production ended up looking bloated i'm assuming these changes have to do with regulations that companies have to abide by...which ones in particular cause these changes??? __________________ I think i flip flopped on the ss bumper...it looks good man...it really does

01-14-2009, 10:18 PM	#7
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Let's not start this again... The ONLY thing you have to understand is that they call them "Concepts" for a reason: They aren't production. Meaning they have tons (like Turtle said) of regs to go through and validate the car. NEVER expect any concept car to translate directly to the showroom. But occasionally; you'll get one like the Camaro....that does. Attached Images __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-15-2009, 12:16 AM	#10
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	production version actually looks better than the concept __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

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01-14-2009, 05:08 PM	#2
bolteon593 Drives: 2011 GT500 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: southern california Posts: 902	100 bucks says you wouldnt know the differece between the concept and the production car driving past you from a standstill.

01-14-2009, 08:56 PM	#5
1967rsss Drives: 67, 68, 88, 98, 10, 12 ZL1 Camaros Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 103	The biggest difference that I know of, is the addition of a B pillar? The pillar added at the rear of the door. This is for roll over stability. The concept can roll down both side windows with pillar in the way. This was true to the original camaro. It's a shame it has to be there. I know the designers would have liked to keep it out.

01-14-2009, 08:59 PM	#6
Inspector 17 I love crepes Drives: 2017 ZL1 NGM A10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,955 View My Garage	Well, I think that GM has done possibly the best job in history matching the production car to the concept. As others have said, there are a ton of regulations that force the minor changes. Certainly crash testing and safety standards have the biggest impact. But beyond that, GM has to look at what they can actually sell and what is economically feasible to build. That may have as much impact on the final design as the regulations. If you can't mass produce a car and make money, the regulations don't matter.

01-14-2009, 10:28 PM	#9
UCF w00t Geek Drives: IOM 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orlando Posts: 4,451	I'm not sure the biggest thing affecting concept > production is really regulations. Yea, it's fun to blame the government but in this sitation is usually cost. They usually end up digging into the parts bin in order to reuse existing stuff as well ditching things in body paneling that are difficult to manufacture. That being said, I don't think I've ever seen a production car remain so true to a concept.