L99 RWHP - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

brantley847 · 07-28-2011, 09:06 PM

Just curious for some of you who have the setup... what RWHP numbers do you guys put down for LTs, CAI, catback, and LS3 conversion cam swap... looking at something along the lines of Jannetty's 470 RWHP package after the conversion obviously...

What numbers are you L99 / LS3 conversion guys putting down with that package? Also, what % of loss are you losing on the auto from the crank to the wheels? It seems from what I have noticed, we are looking at a 20-28% loss from the crank to the wheels for the auto.

*mlee* · 07-28-2011, 09:07 PM

468 for me... not sure how much tranny loss.

Dave Coyle · 07-28-2011, 09:52 PM

Mine was done at Livernois with a milder cam and you can see my numbers.

bi11ymc · 07-28-2011, 09:52 PM

My drive-train loss ended up being 19% from the results on a dyno, which seems to be about average for the L99.

thebrainhart · 07-28-2011, 11:33 PM

Unless you take out your exact engine and dyno it on an engine dyno, then dyno the whole car immediately after, I don't see any possible way to fully determine the drivetrain loss...

You can guestimate, but that's exactly what it is, a guess.
I guessed mine by taking the stock ~400hp, and stock my car dyno'd at 321hp, so about 19%, but again, that's just a guess. All engines perform differently.

I'd like to have a number for you, but I have yet to dyno since my conversion

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plus I need long tubes and a real exhaust (I have DT shorties w/muffler delete)

kaler · 07-29-2011, 02:07 AM

For a good comparison the LG motorsports G6X3 cam (same dyno) made 496rwhp on the LS3 and 453rwhp on the L99. The L99 made 43 less rwhp and is what I would expect with the extra drivetrain loss thru the automatic transmission and stall converter.Although down 43rwhp I would bet the farm on the L99 at the track.

Link to L99: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143847

Link to LS3: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142438

Andy@Livernois · 07-29-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaler

For a good comparison the LG motorsports G6X3 cam (same dyno) made 496rwhp on the LS3 and 453rwhp on the L99. The L99 made 43 less rwhp and is what I would expect with the extra drivetrain loss thru the automatic transmission and stall converter.Although down 43rwhp I would bet the farm on the L99 at the track.

Link to L99: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143847

Link to LS3: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142438

don't forget the L99 has lower compression as well which plays a role in the lower numbers.

Jason 98 TA · 07-29-2011, 12:52 PM

we've made anywhere from 480-450rwhp depending on all the mods around the heads/cam. Remember the converter & wheel selection plays into the dyno numbers a lot!

brantley847 · 07-29-2011, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

we've made anywhere from 480-450rwhp depending on all the mods around the heads/cam. Remember the converter & wheel selection plays into the dyno numbers a lot!

Yea, my ultimate goal is still a DD, so I do need to find a cam that will post decent numbers, with drive ability and mpg coming first... I will take it to a drag strip once.. maybe twice a year. Don't really plan on doing a course track...so I need to justify if a cam is really worth it? I know I would like to change the oil pump and add a 3200 or 3600 stall as well...

You guys make a great VVT cam, but I've been researching and looking toward your products, as well as lashaway and jannetty into just doing the conversion.. and then taking my time to decide which direction to go

Because it is a DD, I am not willing to give up the 20 inch stock wheels or the like... I know that will hinder me, but as long as I can beat my buddies bolt on only 5.0 on a strip, I don't care

I got married and bought a house this year... so 2011 tax return will be play time money lol

tony1 · 07-29-2011, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaler

For a good comparison the LG motorsports G6X3 cam (same dyno) made 496rwhp on the LS3 and 453rwhp on the L99. The L99 made 43 less rwhp and is what I would expect with the extra drivetrain loss thru the automatic transmission and stall converter.Although down 43rwhp I would bet the farm on the L99 at the track.

Link to L99: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143847

Link to LS3: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142438

Yeap... The L99 will kill the LS3 at the track.
Also another thing on Dyno numbers the 4th gear on the M6 is closer to a 1:1 ratio than the L99 .. so it's not a true comparision.

NipTuckTaxi · 07-29-2011, 08:47 PM

I just did the L99-LS3 Conversion. I have LT's, CAI, Catback and put in JRE cam. My car made 412rwhp on a dynojet.

Tampa Tuning · 07-30-2011, 08:23 AM

I like the LG's G5X2 232/240 on a 112, a stall, and gears.

JANNETTYRACING · 07-30-2011, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brantley847

Just curious for some of you who have the setup... what RWHP numbers do you guys put down for LTs, CAI, catback, and LS3 conversion cam swap... looking at something along the lines of Jannetty's 470 RWHP package after the conversion obviously...

What numbers are you L99 / LS3 conversion guys putting down with that package? Also, what % of loss are you losing on the auto from the crank to the wheels? It seems from what I have noticed, we are looking at a 20-28% loss from the crank to the wheels for the auto.

You all know that Dyno To Dyno numbers can vary widely so this may not be a fair way to compare cams or set ups.

Rear Wheel Alignment can affect RWHP Numbers.

On my Dyno We consistently see 330-335 RWHP out of Stock L99 Cars, with this cam, LT headers, CAI, SLP underdrive, and a tune on PUMP GAS 93 octane we see 420-425 RWHP.

So about 90 RWHP over Stock.

Pull the Heads and Cut them to raise compression you could see another 10-20 or so depending, and another 10-15 with porting.

Thank you for considering JRE.

Ted.

Rockit_z28 · 07-30-2011, 03:55 PM

I agree with Ted as dyno numbers vary greatly as do track times based on air and driver capabilities. However, I still prefer track times.

Yes I have the supporting mods for the track and will continue to build on them as necessary.

With just basic bolt-ons, headers, exhaust, CAI, I made 341 RWHP. After a few passes a couple weeks ago (13.1), I did find some concerns with the tune. Nothing major, but I am sure there is more there.

Car will go in sometime in the next 2-3 weeks for an LS3 conversion, Heintz Racing custom cam, 3200 Vigalante, Melling oil pump, trunions, Patriot Dual Extreme valve springs, as well as ATI underdrive pulley. I'll post it when available. With the heat lately, one can only expect so much from the dyno. My cam selection was based on my needs (street and strip) and not for dyno purposes.

07-28-2011, 09:06 PM	#1
brantley847 v It bites. Drives: 2011 IBM 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,580	L99 RWHP Just curious for some of you who have the setup... what RWHP numbers do you guys put down for LTs, CAI, catback, and LS3 conversion cam swap... looking at something along the lines of Jannetty's 470 RWHP package after the conversion obviously... What numbers are you L99 / LS3 conversion guys putting down with that package? Also, what % of loss are you losing on the auto from the crank to the wheels? It seems from what I have noticed, we are looking at a 20-28% loss from the crank to the wheels for the auto. __________________ 2011 2SS/RS Performance: 439 RWHP: 226/236 Comp Cam, Kooks 1-7/8, CAInc, Borla S type, Vmax TB, Rx Catch Can, Trans cooler, SLP 160 termo, Melling high volume, Eibach Springs/Sways 1" drop, Whiteline complete bushing kit.

07-28-2011, 09:07 PM	#2
mlee CamaroFans.com Drives: ZLE & ZR2 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Conroe, TX Posts: 37,958 View My Garage	468 for me... not sure how much tranny loss. __________________

07-28-2011, 09:52 PM	#3
Dave Coyle Drives: 2010 SS , 1970 Z-28, 2002 Avalanche Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,524 View My Garage	Mine was done at Livernois with a milder cam and you can see my numbers. __________________ IF IT'S WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR!!!! (AND IT WAS) 434RWHP/403RWTQ Livernois Motorsports 2C Cam kit Kooks 1 7/8 LT Headers/Hi-Flo Cats/Corsa Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI / Port Intake Precission 2400/2800 Converter/3.73 AAM gears Livernois Motorsports Tune Best time: 11.97 @ 117 MPH

07-28-2011, 09:52 PM	#4
bi11ymc "Silver Street" Drives: 2010 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 707	My drive-train loss ended up being 19% from the results on a dyno, which seems to be about average for the L99. __________________ Silver Street - 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS, SIM, Gray, Cyber Gray Rally Stripes, Polished Wheels, Automatic (L99) - 553 RWHP/510 RWTQ CAI Inc., ARH LT Headers with Cats, Borla Touring Cat-Back; Pfadt Coil Overs, Sway Bars, End Links, and Trailing Arms; Comp Cams Blower Cam, Dual Springs, Push-Rods, and Lifters; GM LS2 Lifter Trays, 6.2 MLS Head Gaskets, Crank Bolt, and LS2 Front Cover; 3-Bolt Conversion Timing Gear, Katech C5R Timing Chain, ARP LS2/LS3 Head Bolt Kit, Melling Hi Volume Oil Pump, TVS 2300 Supercharger (Black); Build by Vengeance Racing; Custom Tune by Vengeance Racing

07-28-2011, 11:33 PM	#5
thebrainhart Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS CGM LS3 A6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bountiful, UT Posts: 683	Unless you take out your exact engine and dyno it on an engine dyno, then dyno the whole car immediately after, I don't see any possible way to fully determine the drivetrain loss... You can guestimate, but that's exactly what it is, a guess. I guessed mine by taking the stock ~400hp, and stock my car dyno'd at 321hp, so about 19%, but again, that's just a guess. All engines perform differently. I'd like to have a number for you, but I have yet to dyno since my conversion , plus I need long tubes and a real exhaust (I have DT shorties w/muffler delete) __________________ - 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS CGM LS3 A6 "Lurch" - FLYNGSS - Some ProCharger, Alky, CompCams, Brian Tooley, Holley, Livernois, K&N, Ridetech, DSS, Kooks, JDP Motorsports, Pfadt, BMR, Prothane, Weld, M&H, Mickey Thompson, RKSport, Elite, Garys, Defenderworx, Anvil, etc.

07-29-2011, 02:07 AM	#6
kaler Drives: 2011 Dodge 3500 dually Mega Cab Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: discovery bay,ca Posts: 667	For a good comparison the LG motorsports G6X3 cam (same dyno) made 496rwhp on the LS3 and 453rwhp on the L99. The L99 made 43 less rwhp and is what I would expect with the extra drivetrain loss thru the automatic transmission and stall converter.Although down 43rwhp I would bet the farm on the L99 at the track. Link to L99: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143847 Link to LS3: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142438 __________________ 2010 SS a6 with TSP VVT-3 cam,PRC ported heads,Yank 3200,Kooks and CAI inc. = +121 RWHP 1/4 mile 12.1 E.T. On P-Zero Tires.

07-29-2011, 12:52 PM	#8
Jason 98 TA Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,670	we've made anywhere from 480-450rwhp depending on all the mods around the heads/cam. Remember the converter & wheel selection plays into the dyno numbers a lot!

07-29-2011, 08:47 PM	#11
NipTuckTaxi Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Columbia, MS Posts: 147	I just did the L99-LS3 Conversion. I have LT's, CAI, Catback and put in JRE cam. My car made 412rwhp on a dynojet.

07-30-2011, 08:23 AM	#12
Tampa Tuning Account Suspended Drives: TAMPA TUNING FACEBOOK & INSTAGRAM Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 3,044	I like the LG's G5X2 232/240 on a 112, a stall, and gears.

07-30-2011, 03:55 PM	#14
Rockit_z28 www.1baddogracing.com Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indian Land, SC Posts: 998 View My Garage	I agree with Ted as dyno numbers vary greatly as do track times based on air and driver capabilities. However, I still prefer track times. Yes I have the supporting mods for the track and will continue to build on them as necessary. With just basic bolt-ons, headers, exhaust, CAI, I made 341 RWHP. After a few passes a couple weeks ago (13.1), I did find some concerns with the tune. Nothing major, but I am sure there is more there. Car will go in sometime in the next 2-3 weeks for an LS3 conversion, Heintz Racing custom cam, 3200 Vigalante, Melling oil pump, trunions, Patriot Dual Extreme valve springs, as well as ATI underdrive pulley. I'll post it when available. With the heat lately, one can only expect so much from the dyno. My cam selection was based on my needs (street and strip) and not for dyno purposes.

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