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Akquaman · 11-26-2014, 04:26 PM

Hey people! I have a technical and a logistic question for you:

1) I have learned that are other different car brands that with a V6 engine or even a 4 cilinder car (Mercedes is coming out with a 465 AMG (4 cilinders wagon w/twin turbo) are able to produce more power than what the Camaro V6 engine does. The Nissan GTR has also a V6 (thou also has turbo), etc which gave me to wonder:

What is the MAX HP/OUTPUT possible to get from a Camaro V6 RS WITHOUT adding a Supercharger or Turbo kit but rather with a new 'configuration/setting/tuning' and a simple upgrade as a 'Cold Air intake, header, or minor upgrade?
Is it expensive to upgrade? Pro's vs Cons? etc.
And also:

2) Around how much is the registration fee for a 2014? Somebody told me it would be around $500, which it seems insane compared with the $65 bucks I used to pay for my previous car in Florida a few years ago...Thank you already in advance and Happy Thanksgiving day!!

Superfly1 · 11-26-2014, 04:30 PM

Maximum output depends on how much money you want to spend... it seems 300RWHP is the high end limit for bolt-ons. Even that might be high. Get deeper into the engine (cams, ported heads, etc...) and it could probably go higher.

This thread has some answers for you I think... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153186

My registration was over $500 in 2009 when I bought it. It has been going down each year and I think it was about $275 this year.

Akquaman · 11-26-2014, 07:28 PM

Thank you Superfly very much! I can see you have put a "wrench (or 2)" on yours.

Looks very nice. So, I understand that no special computing tuning (whatever this may mean) would do much difference in overall performance, correct?
Also, since I got your attention:
On idle, when you press the gas I'm sure you know it "cuts" at like 3000 Rpm, without allowing to rev the engine all the way as I was able to do with my 94'. I'm sure that may be a "limitation" from the computer or related, correct? How can I get rid of it to be able to rev the engine normally the full range? Is it difficult/expensive to correct? And do you know if would have negative implications of concern with the factory warranty or any other effect? Thank you a ton for your help Superfly, there are no people I could ask this type of stuff!

Regards. Enjoy your holidays. A

jeffa · 11-26-2014, 07:47 PM

I see you live in the wonderful state of Kalifornia, so your registration should be in the low-mid $300....my reg on my 2014 in L.A. was about $338.

As far as the engine "cutting out" at 3K RPM, exactly what do you mean by cutting out? On my 2014 2LT, I have no trouble getting the engine to rev to redline. I have no hesitation or "cutting out" at 3K RPM. If yours does not, you have a problem and should take it to the dealer to be looked at.

kevinw · 11-26-2014, 08:00 PM

he may be referring to that "hesitation" that some folks feel when they get on it. i dont notice it on mine, but i think thats where the ported throttle body helps that some guys have put on. OP, i think CAI and a catch can would be good places to start.
My taxes on my new camaro last year were over $500 here in Kansas

PalmerGA · 11-26-2014, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akquaman

Also, since I got your attention:
On idle, when you press the gas I'm sure you know it "cuts" at like 3000 Rpm, without allowing to rev the engine all the way as I was able to do with my 94'. I'm sure that may be a "limitation" from the computer or related, correct? How can I get rid of it to be able to rev the engine normally the full range?

It's a rev limiter that doesn't allow you to rev over a certain rpm (I thought it was 4,000) and damage the engine. You shouldn't run up your engine rpms under no load (in neutral/park). It will damage the engine if done repeatedly. The ECM ("computer") is smarter than you are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevinw

he may be referring to that "hesitation" that some folks feel when they get on it. i dont notice it on mine, but i think thats where the ported throttle body helps that some guys have put on.

That is what is known as the "dead spot" on LFX engines. It's more in the 2,000 rpm range and can be quite noticeable under moderate acceleration. And, yes, replacing the factory throttle body with a CNC ported throttle body seems to eliminate it. I would think GM would have fixed that by now ('14 $ '15 model years).

I think Akquaman was talking about just revving the engine in neutral or park.

Angrybird 12 · 11-26-2014, 09:02 PM

Both my 2010 and my 2014 when in neutral are limited to rev over 3200rpm. My Saturn is the same way and so was the HHR I used to have. I haven't tried it on my Spark but I bet it will be the same.

jd10013 · 11-26-2014, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akquaman

Hey people! I have a technical and a logistic question for you:

1) I have learned that are other different car brands that with a V6 engine or even a 4 cilinder car (Mercedes is coming out with a 465 AMG (4 cilinders wagon w/twin turbo) are able to produce more power than what the Camaro V6 engine does. The Nissan GTR has also a V6 (thou also has turbo), etc which gave me to wonder:

as others have said, there really isn't any limit on HP, it's how much you want to spend. the GTR puts out about 550 HP, but that's with a twin turbo. but there are plenty of fours out there that can be cranked up to 700, 800 even a 1000+ HP. it's actually (despite the grief given here) one of the reasons the civics became so popular as tuner cars. they have a very strong block that allows for a lot of upgrades and HP. Nissan's SR20 motor was the same. there are plenty of 240's out there pushing extremely high HP numbers.

lawman007 · 11-26-2014, 11:16 PM

Wasn't the V6 312hp as reported in 2012? The V6 is the V6. There was only one V6 engine available in the 5th Gen. Early reports gave it up to 310hp I believe. But the next year was reported at 312hp, due to the dyno not being performed the previous year. The RS is an appearance package. The numbers were stock without a turbo, twin turbo or supercharger.

Your registration will vary to location and maybe possibly demand of the Camaro. As time goes by the registration fees should go down, not necessarily here in Michigan. I think I will be paying around 300.00 for two Camaros, 2011 and a 1995. I'd shop around for registration. But I will be here in Michigan for the forseeable future. I want to put a 2011 or 2010 in the 1995, it is an automatc. Anyone see a problem with doing that? I think it will need a new engine soon.
Troy

Angrybird 12 · 11-26-2014, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawman007

Wasn't the V6 312hp as reported in 2012? The V6 is the V6. There was only one V6 engine available in the 5th Gen. Early reports gave it up to 310hp I believe. But the next year was reported at 312hp, due to the dyno not being performed the previous year. The RS is an appearance package. The numbers were stock without a turbo, twin turbo or supercharger.

Your registration will vary to location and maybe possibly demand of the Camaro. As time goes by the registration fees should go down, not necessarily here in Michigan. I think I will be paying around 300.00 for two Camaros, 2011 and a 1995. I'd shop around for registration. But I will be here in Michigan for the forseeable future. I want to put a 2011 or 2010 in the 1995, it is an automatc. Anyone see a problem with doing that? I think it will need a new engine soon.
Troy

In 2010 the LLT's published HP was 304, they just used the certified HP rating of the CTS because they had not yet certified it for the Camaro. In 2011 it had been certified and was rated at 312HP even though no changes to the engine were made. In 2012 they changed the intake and heads and renamed it to the LFX and it was rated at 323HP and it still is today.

jeffa · 11-27-2014, 02:04 PM

Never tried gunning the engine in neutral or park. Glad to know there is an RPM limiter when out of gear to prevent over reving the engine....learn something new every day on this site.

Akquaman · 11-27-2014, 03:35 PM

I've had a 94' RS as well a few years back... and it has no "limiter" as this 2014 has, while parked, on idle... I loved the sound it had when I revved it up a bit... Never overpassed it... How could you, if you're just a bit 'common sense' careful about it...
I find this "limitation" extremely frustrating because I can't hear a good engine sound because the limiter, "cuts" it at around 2800 rpm (even when the 'rpm niddle gauge' goes up to 3000 rpm but just from pure 'inertia'.
So, if I understand correctly you'd get no performance improvements with a different 'tuning' or computer setting about fuel or any other different from the stock from factory one UNLESS you begin changing and replacing internal engine parts, correct? Thank you everyone for your comments guys!

Superfly1 · 11-27-2014, 11:45 PM

The only way to get rid of the limiters is to get a tune. They will remove the neutral rev limiter and the speed limiter. Just be careful revving it without a load on it. A tune doesnt make a huge difference on a stock motor, but it will help out with mods. Careful though, once you start down this path it is impossible to stop

Akquaman · 11-28-2014, 01:55 AM

Thank you for your help to clarify my curiosity Superfly1. I appreciate it. I'm just trying to find out what my option are. This one we bought with my wife, and/but I have my eye on a 1LE for me personally... We'll see how all develops; but I'd still like to play a bit with this one anyways and see if I can get any more 'juice' out of it without expending a fortune or eliminating the warranty, etc. Thank you very much everyone!!

11-26-2014, 04:26 PM	#1
Akquaman Drives: Camaro 2014 RS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Studio City Posts: 12 View My Garage	V6 RS Maximum Output/HP possible? Hey people! I have a technical and a logistic question for you: 1) I have learned that are other different car brands that with a V6 engine or even a 4 cilinder car (Mercedes is coming out with a 465 AMG (4 cilinders wagon w/twin turbo) are able to produce more power than what the Camaro V6 engine does. The Nissan GTR has also a V6 (thou also has turbo), etc which gave me to wonder: What is the MAX HP/OUTPUT possible to get from a Camaro V6 RS WITHOUT adding a Supercharger or Turbo kit but rather with a new 'configuration/setting/tuning' and a simple upgrade as a 'Cold Air intake, header, or minor upgrade? Is it expensive to upgrade? Pro's vs Cons? etc. And also: 2) Around how much is the registration fee for a 2014? Somebody told me it would be around $500, which it seems insane compared with the $65 bucks I used to pay for my previous car in Florida a few years ago...Thank you already in advance and Happy Thanksgiving day!!

11-26-2014, 04:30 PM	#2
Superfly1 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT #2197 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 916 View My Garage	Maximum output depends on how much money you want to spend... it seems 300RWHP is the high end limit for bolt-ons. Even that might be high. Get deeper into the engine (cams, ported heads, etc...) and it could probably go higher. This thread has some answers for you I think... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153186 My registration was over $500 in 2009 when I bought it. It has been going down each year and I think it was about $275 this year. __________________ CAI intake \| OBX LT Headers \| Flowmaster AT Exhaust \| Trifecta Tune \| SS Rear Diff, Axles & Driveshaft Zex 100 Shot Nitrous \| Konig Airstrike Wheels \| Custom Engine Cover, Fuse Box & Underhood Bowtie Eibach Springs & SS Sway Bars \| BMR Strut Brace \| Drake Shifter \| Vitesse Paddles \| 13.26 @ 105.88 mph

11-26-2014, 09:02 PM	#7
Angrybird 12 7 year Cancer Survivor! Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 21,546	Both my 2010 and my 2014 when in neutral are limited to rev over 3200rpm. My Saturn is the same way and so was the HHR I used to have. I haven't tried it on my Spark but I bet it will be the same. __________________ Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE... The Bird is the word!

11-26-2014, 11:16 PM	#9
lawman007 Panama-Gulf War Vet Drives: '11 SW 1LT/RS 6M Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: From Carmichael, CA to Matthews, NC 01/2021 Posts: 769	Wasn't the V6 312hp as reported in 2012? The V6 is the V6. There was only one V6 engine available in the 5th Gen. Early reports gave it up to 310hp I believe. But the next year was reported at 312hp, due to the dyno not being performed the previous year. The RS is an appearance package. The numbers were stock without a turbo, twin turbo or supercharger. Your registration will vary to location and maybe possibly demand of the Camaro. As time goes by the registration fees should go down, not necessarily here in Michigan. I think I will be paying around 300.00 for two Camaros, 2011 and a 1995. I'd shop around for registration. But I will be here in Michigan for the forseeable future. I want to put a 2011 or 2010 in the 1995, it is an automatc. Anyone see a problem with doing that? I think it will need a new engine soon. Troy __________________

11-27-2014, 11:45 PM	#13
Superfly1 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT #2197 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 916 View My Garage	The only way to get rid of the limiters is to get a tune. They will remove the neutral rev limiter and the speed limiter. Just be careful revving it without a load on it. A tune doesnt make a huge difference on a stock motor, but it will help out with mods. Careful though, once you start down this path it is impossible to stop __________________ CAI intake \| OBX LT Headers \| Flowmaster AT Exhaust \| Trifecta Tune \| SS Rear Diff, Axles & Driveshaft Zex 100 Shot Nitrous \| Konig Airstrike Wheels \| Custom Engine Cover, Fuse Box & Underhood Bowtie Eibach Springs & SS Sway Bars \| BMR Strut Brace \| Drake Shifter \| Vitesse Paddles \| 13.26 @ 105.88 mph

11-26-2014, 07:28 PM	#3
Akquaman Drives: Camaro 2014 RS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Studio City Posts: 12 View My Garage	Thank you Superfly very much! I can see you have put a "wrench (or 2)" on yours. Looks very nice. So, I understand that no special computing tuning (whatever this may mean) would do much difference in overall performance, correct? Also, since I got your attention: On idle, when you press the gas I'm sure you know it "cuts" at like 3000 Rpm, without allowing to rev the engine all the way as I was able to do with my 94'. I'm sure that may be a "limitation" from the computer or related, correct? How can I get rid of it to be able to rev the engine normally the full range? Is it difficult/expensive to correct? And do you know if would have negative implications of concern with the factory warranty or any other effect? Thank you a ton for your help Superfly, there are no people I could ask this type of stuff! Regards. Enjoy your holidays. A

11-26-2014, 07:47 PM	#4
jeffa Drives: 2014 2LT/RS Ashen Gray Metallic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 585	I see you live in the wonderful state of Kalifornia, so your registration should be in the low-mid $300....my reg on my 2014 in L.A. was about $338. As far as the engine "cutting out" at 3K RPM, exactly what do you mean by cutting out? On my 2014 2LT, I have no trouble getting the engine to rev to redline. I have no hesitation or "cutting out" at 3K RPM. If yours does not, you have a problem and should take it to the dealer to be looked at.

11-26-2014, 08:00 PM	#5
kevinw Drives: 2013 Black 2 LT vert Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: kansas city Posts: 1,764	he may be referring to that "hesitation" that some folks feel when they get on it. i dont notice it on mine, but i think thats where the ported throttle body helps that some guys have put on. OP, i think CAI and a catch can would be good places to start. My taxes on my new camaro last year were over $500 here in Kansas

11-27-2014, 02:04 PM	#11
jeffa Drives: 2014 2LT/RS Ashen Gray Metallic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 585	Never tried gunning the engine in neutral or park. Glad to know there is an RPM limiter when out of gear to prevent over reving the engine....learn something new every day on this site.

11-27-2014, 03:35 PM	#12
Akquaman Drives: Camaro 2014 RS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Studio City Posts: 12 View My Garage	I've had a 94' RS as well a few years back... and it has no "limiter" as this 2014 has, while parked, on idle... I loved the sound it had when I revved it up a bit... Never overpassed it... How could you, if you're just a bit 'common sense' careful about it... I find this "limitation" extremely frustrating because I can't hear a good engine sound because the limiter, "cuts" it at around 2800 rpm (even when the 'rpm niddle gauge' goes up to 3000 rpm but just from pure 'inertia'. So, if I understand correctly you'd get no performance improvements with a different 'tuning' or computer setting about fuel or any other different from the stock from factory one UNLESS you begin changing and replacing internal engine parts, correct? Thank you everyone for your comments guys!

11-28-2014, 01:55 AM	#14
Akquaman Drives: Camaro 2014 RS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Studio City Posts: 12 View My Garage	Thank you for your help to clarify my curiosity Superfly1. I appreciate it. I'm just trying to find out what my option are. This one we bought with my wife, and/but I have my eye on a 1LE for me personally... We'll see how all develops; but I'd still like to play a bit with this one anyways and see if I can get any more 'juice' out of it without expending a fortune or eliminating the warranty, etc. Thank you very much everyone!!