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misterhappy · 02-23-2015, 10:43 AM

So I am ordering the parts I want for a tune. I have a intake, adding a 2.5 upper pulley and 1000cc injectors(room for E85 later). A Friends of mine was asking if i was upgrading the fuel pump also, but i havn't really seen anyone talking about doing that. Is there a real need to upgrade our fuel pumps?

ninsecgt · 02-24-2015, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by misterhappy

So I am ordering the parts I want for a tune. I have a intake, adding a 2.5 upper pulley and 1000cc injectors(room for E85 later). A Friends of mine was asking if i was upgrading the fuel pump also, but i havn't really seen anyone talking about doing that. Is there a real need to upgrade our fuel pumps?

If you want to make over 700 rwhp you'll need a whole fuel system. Fore innovations is the place if you want it done right. Howard of redline Motorsports is my tuner and a new complete fuel system including fuel rails coming from Germany will be completed in several weeks for my car. I can't wait because this thing has Made over 700 rwhp thru an automatic on e85.......that's without my 100 shot of nitrous though. Call Howard from redline Motorsports......

jessrayo · 02-24-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by misterhappy

So I am ordering the parts I want for a tune. I have a intake, adding a 2.5 upper pulley and 1000cc injectors(room for E85 later). A Friends of mine was asking if i was upgrading the fuel pump also, but i havn't really seen anyone talking about doing that. Is there a real need to upgrade our fuel pumps?

Yes, if you run e85 you will need more pump, if you go over 600whp you should upgrade the pump. The question is how much pump do you really need. The big stuff gets pretty expensive. ADM performance has developed some of it's own upgrades that are reliable and more cost efficient than just out right converting to huge pumps. Call Andy and get price and opinion from him. You won't regret it.

fif_gen_powa · 02-24-2015, 10:48 AM

E85 has to use a larger amount of fuel than regular pump gas to make the same power, something like 30%. A basic fuel system that can make 650 whp on 93 pump may not be able to flow enough to make 650 whp on e85. Twin pumps is usually always required when converting to e85 and make sure to up size injectors properly as well.

Deke736 · 02-24-2015, 11:50 AM

I just made the call to my shop yesterday to upgrade my fuel system. I'll be doing the Squash system and the E85 Flex Fuel conversion to mine. I've already got ID850 injectors and I am pushing over 650 rwhp and my stock system is maxed, so it's time to upgrade.

2013 ZL1 #7860 · 02-24-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Deke736

I just made the call to my shop yesterday to upgrade my fuel system. I'll be doing the Squash system and the E85 Flex Fuel conversion to mine. I've already got ID850 injectors and I am pushing over 650 rwhp and my stock system is maxed, so it's time to upgrade.

What injectors are you planning on using for E85?

Deke736 · 02-24-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2013 ZL1 #7860

What injectors are you planning on using for E85?

The ID850's I already have installed will handle the job.

2013 ZL1 #7860 · 02-24-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Deke736

The ID850's I already have installed will handle the job.

Really? Haven't heard that before.

JamesZL1 · 02-24-2015, 06:36 PM

I have ID 850's and my tuner don't think they will handle an E85 upgrade. I was going to go with the DSX tuning mod and run the flex fuel tune. I was going to have to upgrade the fuel pump and the injectors and decided I did not want to go that route...I am just going to run Methanol so I don't need more pump and its easier to get then E85 around here. Also helps with the IAT's and Octane rating for detonation.

camarovigoa · 02-24-2015, 07:59 PM

Im running ID850'S and the fore triple pump Fuel system. Im probably alittle over 700rwhp on boost and juts add 150 to that on spray LOL!

fif_gen_powa · 02-24-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by camarovigoa

Im running ID850'S and the fore triple pump Fuel system. Im probably alittle over 700rwhp on boost and juts add 150 to that on spray LOL!

Is that on 93 or e85? Any idea of fuel pressure and duty cycle to make that hp on the 850s?

ADM PERFORMANCE · 02-24-2015, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by misterhappy

So I am ordering the parts I want for a tune. I have a intake, adding a 2.5 upper pulley and 1000cc injectors(room for E85 later). A Friends of mine was asking if i was upgrading the fuel pump also, but i havn't really seen anyone talking about doing that. Is there a real need to upgrade our fuel pumps?

The truth lives here with all the data -

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ht=adm+zl1+e85

revobasher · 02-25-2015, 12:46 AM

If you plan to go E85 you need to upgrade fuel pump as already mentioned. Squash and Fore are the most popular.

I went with a Fore 400/265 dual setup.

The 850cc injectors should suffice.

misterhappy · 02-25-2015, 08:14 AM

Im still very new to this V8 thing, how much difference would a BAP make, or is it best just to jump right to bigger/dual pumps?

02-23-2015, 10:43 AM	#1
misterhappy Drives: 2014 ZL1 Black on Black Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 57	Fuel pump? So I am ordering the parts I want for a tune. I have a intake, adding a 2.5 upper pulley and 1000cc injectors(room for E85 later). A Friends of mine was asking if i was upgrading the fuel pump also, but i havn't really seen anyone talking about doing that. Is there a real need to upgrade our fuel pumps?

02-24-2015, 10:48 AM	#4
fif_gen_powa Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Turbo Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,525	E85 has to use a larger amount of fuel than regular pump gas to make the same power, something like 30%. A basic fuel system that can make 650 whp on 93 pump may not be able to flow enough to make 650 whp on e85. Twin pumps is usually always required when converting to e85 and make sure to up size injectors properly as well. __________________ 388ci 91/104 Turbo TH400 8.3@164 https://instagram.com/turbo_ls3/

02-24-2015, 11:50 AM	#5
Deke736 COTW 12/3/12 Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Glen Carbon, IL Posts: 3,279	Fuel pump? I just made the call to my shop yesterday to upgrade my fuel system. I'll be doing the Squash system and the E85 Flex Fuel conversion to mine. I've already got ID850 injectors and I am pushing over 650 rwhp and my stock system is maxed, so it's time to upgrade. __________________

02-24-2015, 06:36 PM	#9
JamesZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 A6 Camaro, 2015 C7 A6 Z51 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 396	I have ID 850's and my tuner don't think they will handle an E85 upgrade. I was going to go with the DSX tuning mod and run the flex fuel tune. I was going to have to upgrade the fuel pump and the injectors and decided I did not want to go that route...I am just going to run Methanol so I don't need more pump and its easier to get then E85 around here. Also helps with the IAT's and Octane rating for detonation. __________________ Roto-Fab CAI, Texas Speed Headers, Texas Speed X-Pipe, Texas Speed LS3-B Blower Cam, Metco 9.10" Crank Pulley, Metco 2.5 Upper Pulley, ID 850 Injectors, LPE Ported Throttle Body, Alky Control Methanol kit, E2 Catch Can, 610HP / 608 Torque.

02-25-2015, 12:46 AM	#13
revobasher Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 552	Fuel pump? If you plan to go E85 you need to upgrade fuel pump as already mentioned. Squash and Fore are the most popular. I went with a Fore 400/265 dual setup. The 850cc injectors should suffice. __________________ -- 2013 ZL1 - Blue Ray Metallic JDP 850 Package 740hp/700tq @14lbs on E85 Build Thread

02-24-2015, 07:59 PM	#10
camarovigoa Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Victory Red A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Miami FL Posts: 1,480 View My Garage	Im running ID850'S and the fore triple pump Fuel system. Im probably alittle over 700rwhp on boost and juts add 150 to that on spray LOL!

02-25-2015, 08:14 AM	#14
misterhappy Drives: 2014 ZL1 Black on Black Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 57	Im still very new to this V8 thing, how much difference would a BAP make, or is it best just to jump right to bigger/dual pumps?