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gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 12:29 PM

Two questions really: One, if I were to re-install the factory cam, is it possible to leave the BTR springs with the hardened pushrods as installed or is the additional pressure going to be too much for the stock cam? I'm more concerned about reliability than ultimate efficiency here. Two, if I cant do that and instead I re-installed the factory springs, do I have to use the factory type valve seals? It looks like the factory seal my affect install height on the stock springs.

GONIF · 02-21-2018, 12:55 PM

Depends on how high the seat pressure of the BT springs are , If they were meant for a big high lift cam or a baby cam . IMHO I would get the proper springs and right lenth pushrods for your application .

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GONIF

Depends on how high the seat pressure of the BT springs are , If they were meant for a big high lift cam or a baby cam . IMHO I would get the proper springs and right lenth pushrods for your application .

They were intended for up to .660 I believe. The pushrod length was the same as stock so that isn't an issue. And I agree that getting the stock springs is probably the best route. Do you know whether I can retain the use of the valve seals I installed when I put the BTR springs on? I'm just curious because of the factory retention method on the OE valve seals and the potential effect on install height of the factory springs if NOT using the OE valve seals.

xc_SS/RS · 02-21-2018, 02:22 PM

you need to use metal jacket valve seals with beehive springs, the seals you have for the dual springs will not work. not sure on the install heights

edit: i think the seals are called top hat seals

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

you need to use metal jacket valve seals with beehive springs, the seals you have for the dual springs will not work. not sure on the install heights

edit: i think the seals are called top hat seals

Thank you for the info, I assume the factory seals serve as a valve spring seat then?

xc_SS/RS · 02-21-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcvt

Thank you for the info, I assume the factory seals serve as a valve spring seat then?

no problem and that is correct, seal and seat are together with the top hat seals

mmaattppllaayy · 02-21-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcvt

Two questions really: One, if I were to re-install the factory cam, is it possible to leave the BTR springs with the hardened pushrods as installed or is the additional pressure going to be too much for the stock cam? I'm more concerned about reliability than ultimate efficiency here. Two, if I cant do that and instead I re-installed the factory springs, do I have to use the factory type valve seals? It looks like the factory seal my affect install height on the stock springs.

The answer to your question is springs are fine. Pushrods are not. You will need to use the correct length hardened pushrods. Due to the added spring pressure I would stay away from the stock pushrods.

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 05:01 PM

Well, the hardened pushrods that are in it are 7.4, which is stock length. I was just afraid that the additional spring pressure may have an negative impact on the stock camshaft.

mmaattppllaayy · 02-21-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcvt

Well, the hardened pushrods that are in it are 7.4, which is stock length. I was just afraid that the additional spring pressure may have an negative impact on the stock camshaft.

Stock pushrods are not 7.4 on the intake side I believe. Ls3 is different from previous gens.

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaattppllaayy

Stock pushrods are not 7.4 on the intake side I believe. Ls3 is different from previous gens.

Ok, that's my bad...I was thinking they were 7.4.

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 05:23 PM

Looks like 7.325. What if I just got a set of 7.325 hardened pushrods? Seems it would be much easier to do that than swap out all the valve springs/seals/hardware etc....

frankwjr · 02-21-2018, 06:33 PM

wtf...7.385 is stock...7.4 is perfect since it adds a bit of extra preload...good for high rpm...ask me how I know.

I currently have stock springs and p/r's sittin here...you want let me know. sellin the high end stuff could help recoup....

why are you doin this if I might ask?

gmcvt · 02-21-2018, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frankwjr

wtf...7.385 is stock...7.4 is perfect since it adds a bit of extra preload...good for high rpm...ask me how I know.

I currently have stock springs and p/r's sittin here...you want let me know. sellin the high end stuff could help recoup....

why are you doin this if I might ask?

Good question....due to several factors, im considering switching to an automatic. And the easiest thing for me to do in my situation is to sell my current SS and find an auto car. I dont know what or when that will be just yet. I have gone back and forth on this a thousand times.

As far as the springs, first, thank you for the offer, depending on what i do, i may take you up on that. I agree with you about salvaging some money. But my thought is this: not too many people are goimg to want to give a whole lot for springs that have about 10k on them. Plus factor in the money to buy the stock stuff and the labor to switch it all out and it just seems more logical to leave the existing harware on there as long as the stock cam can handle the extra spring. Make sense?

Synner · 02-21-2018, 09:39 PM

It's maybe 1 more hour of labor for springs when you're already in there. Not really saving much, vast majority of labor overlaps.

02-21-2018, 12:29 PM	#1
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02-21-2018, 12:55 PM	#2
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	Depends on how high the seat pressure of the BT springs are , If they were meant for a big high lift cam or a baby cam . IMHO I would get the proper springs and right lenth pushrods for your application . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

02-21-2018, 02:22 PM	#4
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	you need to use metal jacket valve seals with beehive springs, the seals you have for the dual springs will not work. not sure on the install heights edit: i think the seals are called top hat seals __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53 Last edited by xc_SS/RS; 02-21-2018 at 02:52 PM.

02-21-2018, 05:01 PM	#8
gmcvt Drives: 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Tn Posts: 465	Well, the hardened pushrods that are in it are 7.4, which is stock length. I was just afraid that the additional spring pressure may have an negative impact on the stock camshaft. __________________ "Jesus said to them: I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 2020 Mustang GT M6 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 E85/Pray tuned & ported IM/TB.SOLD 2018 Mustang GT A10 Kooks Lt's, E85 & Lund tuneSOLD 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Silver- CAI, Bo-body, VRSP-2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8 Lt's w/cats, Magnaflow street CB(15089), QTP ovals, Elite can, Vengeance Racing tune. SOLD

02-21-2018, 05:23 PM	#11
gmcvt Drives: 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Tn Posts: 465	Looks like 7.325. What if I just got a set of 7.325 hardened pushrods? Seems it would be much easier to do that than swap out all the valve springs/seals/hardware etc.... __________________ "Jesus said to them: I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 2020 Mustang GT M6 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 E85/Pray tuned & ported IM/TB.SOLD 2018 Mustang GT A10 Kooks Lt's, E85 & Lund tuneSOLD 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Silver- CAI, Bo-body, VRSP-2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8 Lt's w/cats, Magnaflow street CB(15089), QTP ovals, Elite can, Vengeance Racing tune. SOLD Last edited by gmcvt; 02-21-2018 at 05:40 PM.

02-21-2018, 06:33 PM	#12
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	wtf...7.385 is stock...7.4 is perfect since it adds a bit of extra preload...good for high rpm...ask me how I know. I currently have stock springs and p/r's sittin here...you want let me know. sellin the high end stuff could help recoup.... why are you doin this if I might ask? __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

02-21-2018, 09:39 PM	#14
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,542	It's maybe 1 more hour of labor for springs when you're already in there. Not really saving much, vast majority of labor overlaps.